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Chili · 08-10-2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

There is no Biblical reference to Jesus doing any carpentry work, but extra-Biblical legends have him constructing his own cross.

McDonald thinks that Jesus was a carpenter because Odysseus was a skilled tekton, or craftsman, and Jesus' character was modeled on Odysseus.

Joseph was a carpenter and was a carprnter only because carpenters are known to make many things and since all things are made in sin it can be said that Joseph was a big sinner.

But Joseph was a rancher too because he had shepherds employed who were out herding sheep on the night that Christ was born unto him. This has to be true because the barn was his own and it was empty except for the ox and the mule which he knew were there for the wise men to see 'that' they will enter upon seeing. Ie. No sheep allowed at this time or a herd of pigs will cohabitate.

But Joseph was good at it and that makes him a crafty man and a craftsman indeed.

Wads4 · 08-10-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Joseph was a carpenter and was a carprnter only because carpenters are known to make many things and since all things are made in sin it can be said that Joseph was a big sinner.

But Joseph was a rancher too because he had shepherds employed who were out herding sheep on the night that Christ was born unto him. This has to be true because the barn was his own and it was empty except for the ox and the mule which he knew were there for the wise men to see 'that' they will enter upon seeing. Ie. No sheep allowed at this time or a herd of pigs will cohabitate.

But Joseph was good at it and that makes him a crafty man and a craftsman indeed.

I don't think Jesus could have been a carpenter because surely, being God anything he made would have been perfect and indestructible. So we should have lots of things stamped "Made by Jesus" in our museums to-day,-all defying the ravages of time;--and we don't.

tonan22 · 08-10-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Joseph was a carpenter and was a carprnter only because carpenters are known to make many things and since all things are made in sin it can be said that Joseph was a big sinner.

heh..."Mommy, I made a card for you with aheart on it becaus i love you!"

"You MADE it for me? SINNER!!!!!!!"

Chili · 08-10-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tonan22

heh..."Mommy, I made a card for you with aheart on it becaus i love you!"

"You MADE it for me? SINNER!!!!!!!"

Yes, sin is the net effect of a rout wherein two opposite stands are willing to participate. In this case love is the negative stand that provoked the creation of the card in sin.

Chili · 08-10-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

Just to follow up on the tekton, thing, that's a word that literally means "builder" and applied any sort of basic craftsmman or skilled laborer. Tekton could indicate a carpenter but it could also indicate something like a stonemason, a bricklayer, or any combination of any of those things. I think "construction worker" would probably convey a more analogous sense of how the word was used generically.

Joseph was a stonemason as well since he carved the tomb that they laid Jesus in as if out of rock. This tomb was in his own back-yard right next to the ark that he built while on dry land in anticipation of the flood . . . for wouldn't you know, if new land appears on the horizon the old world best be burried and left behind.

tonan22 · 08-10-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Yes, sin is the net effect of a rout wherein two opposite stands are willing to participate. In this case love is the negative stand that provoked the creation of the card in sin.

That is one heck of a world you live in Chili.

Wads4 · 08-10-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Yes, sin is the net effect of a rout wherein two opposite stands are willing to participate. In this case love is the negative stand that provoked the creation of the card in sin.

Please translate.

Chili · 08-10-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Wads4

Please translate.

The line is based on Aristotles "stand in the rout." It means exactly what it says without the negative connotation of sin. http://www.denvic.us/aristotle-posterior-91/192.html

Creation is good and therefore sin is good even if it has a negative effect on us by way of estrangement.

PyramidHead · 08-10-2006, 12:21 PM

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windsofchange · 08-10-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Joseph was a carpenter and was a carprnter only because carpenters are known to make many things and since all things are made in sin it can be said that Joseph was a big sinner.

But Joseph was a rancher too because he had shepherds employed who were out herding sheep on the night that Christ was born unto him. This has to be true because the barn was his own and it was empty except for the ox and the mule which he knew were there for the wise men to see 'that' they will enter upon seeing. Ie. No sheep allowed at this time or a herd of pigs will cohabitate.

But Joseph was good at it and that makes him a crafty man and a craftsman indeed.

Wow, Joseph was sort of a first century Ben Cartwright, then? That would give credence to the theory that Mary didn't have any other children. Perhaps two of Joseph's other sons were by his previous two wives. And they all lived together on their ranch in the West (Bank, that is).

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