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Old 07-27-2009, 05:18 AM   #301
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well, you beleive Mark Twain had an intent. is that your premise, that the gospels were meant to entertain?
Although I suppose that's possible, that wasn't what I meant at all. I merely used Twain as an example of why falsehoods are not always lies.

Without knowing the intents of the authors, we can not really say they were lying...although, that's certainly a possibility.
Mark Twain was not participating in an illegal religion and his books did not proselitize for an illegal religion. I am not sure entertainment is a possibility unless the authors were so aloof to the fact that Christians existed or the gospels were written so early that Christians were not yet persecuted.
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Nope, my view is 1800 years old. No nuances.
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Many christians probably find comfort in inerrancy but
Could not really define it.
Many conservative protestants find comfort in inerrancy; much like Catholics find comfort in an infallible Church and Pope. This does not make these beliefs true.

No kidding that Evangelicals have a hard time defining inerrancy. All biblical contradictions are plain to see and quite obvious once one throws out the presupposition that the bible must be inerrant.
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Is 3 years with an itinerant rabbi and 30 years post-fisherman give you enough time to learn to write fluent greek? I am sure it is.
Why would an itinerant rabbi need to learn how to write? Why would students of said homeless rabbi need to learn how to write? Christians weren't exactly evangelizing to the 10% of the population that was educated.
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If you think there was error in the statements then you are not considering the context and not understanding the claim to inerrancy.
There is no "context" that eliminates the fact that any reporter who only described two planes is providing false information. He is simply wrong and whoever hired him to describe the event should probably be fired.

So, which of the Gospel authors was wrong and why shouldn't the guy who hired him be fired?

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However, since 9/11, the meaning changed.
No, the number of planes involved has not changed. It is and always will be wrong to only report the involvement of two planes.

You've tried this lame analogy before haven't you? And it was just as easily exposed as sophistry as it has been now. The wise man learns from his mistakes rather than repeat them.
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If you think there was error in the statements then you are not considering the context and not understanding the claim to inerrancy.
There is no "context" that eliminates the fact that any reporter who only described two planes is providing false information. He is simply wrong and whoever hired him to describe the event should probably be fired.

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However, since 9/11, the meaning changed.
No, the number of planes involved has not changed. It is and always will be wrong to only report the involvement of two planes.

You've tried this lame analogy before haven't you? And it was just as easily exposed as sophistry as it has been now. The wise man learns from his mistakes rather than repeat them.
Of course the number of planes has not changed, what is fluid is the meaning of the term 9/11. It used to be a date, then it meant something else and that something else is fluid. if you are not capable of seeing that then the only way for you to test inerrancy is to find jesus' accountant and check the math. that would be a test that would fit your intolerance for language and expression.

I provided a link to the original analogy. the wise man usually holds his tongue until he finishes the post. (holds his tongue, in this case refers to one who do not speak too abruptly, it is not a term that refers to the literal grasping of one's tongue - in case you are looking for errors in the language of my post.)
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Many christians probably find comfort in inerrancy but
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Many conservative protestants find comfort in inerrancy; much like Catholics find comfort in an infallible Church and Pope. This does not make these beliefs true.

No kidding that Evangelicals have a hard time defining inerrancy. All biblical contradictions are plain to see and quite obvious once one throws out the presupposition that the bible must be inerrant.
yes, that was my point. you will probably find people that will argue for inerrancy because it is troubling for them otherwise.
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Is 3 years with an itinerant rabbi and 30 years post-fisherman give you enough time to learn to write fluent greek? I am sure it is.
Why would an itinerant rabbi need to learn how to write? Why would students of said homeless rabbi need to learn how to write? Christians weren't exactly evangelizing to the 10% of the population that was educated.
the disciple is potentially learning how to read, not the rabbi.
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Why would an itinerant rabbi need to learn how to write? Why would students of said homeless rabbi need to learn how to write? Christians weren't exactly evangelizing to the 10% of the population that was educated.
the disciple is potentially learning how to read, not the rabbi.
And what segment of the population are these disciples evangelizing to? The 10% who could read?
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the disciple is potentially learning how to read, not the rabbi.
And what segment of the population are these disciples evangelizing to? The 10% who could read?
Since this is exhausting, let's just say that it impossible
That a fisherman could read or write.

That being said, how many years would it
Take to learn to write greek after becoming
An apostle full time?
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And what segment of the population are these disciples evangelizing to? The 10% who could read?
Since this is exhausting, let's just say that it impossible
That a fisherman could read or write.

That being said, how many years would it
Take to learn to write greek after becoming
An apostle full time?
Wouldn't that depend on whether the pupil could write at all? Trying to teach adult illiterates isn't easy. If Peter and the others were really peasants then the best result would've been for them to dictate to others, probably in Aramaic.
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