John A. Broussard

So you are saying that Moses knew that he would meet the people he killed and therefore his killing of innocent people was OK.

I'm not sure I follow that, but I'm willing to listen to your explanation for how Moses differed from Hitler and Stalin.

Thank you.

badger3k

Make note, Lee admits that God is not all-powerful. There are some things that even He cannot do. So, what else can He not do - other than anything to iron chariots, that is?
So, if we think bad thoughts, we cannot act on them unless that is God's will. Make sense to anyone?

Just to point out the more irrelevance of Lee's "implications". Other than him, I have never heard this implication from anyone. Maybe we all need to start replying to Lee with "assertions are not evidence".

Well, I'll see how much of a masochist I feel. I love one-sided threads.

More skipping around without answering the question. Does a young child become immortal on reaching puberty? Were they all warned by God not to eat of a certain fruit? How is this relevant to the topic? Am I missing something?

Both the "assertions are not evidence" and a careful point towards the "acts with intent to harm" weasel. Remember, it's not genocide if you mean well.

In other words, the gods in the Old and New Testament are not the same ones? Well, we always suspected that....

Well, my best wishes to you also include the hope that you will start to actually educate yourself one of these days, but I feel that is forlorn. We figured out that you were repeating (and contradicting) yourself pages ago - it took you this long? Haven't we been saying it enough?

lee_merrill

Hi everyone,

Two more comments, and then I shall be done...

No, I'm saying that knowing you may well meet someone again after death, in a situation in which you will not be master, would motivate you not to have ill will for them, and would affect how you act now, and I hold that Moses would have had that consideration, and that Hitler and Stalin would not.

There is, however, and implication here, this is not a mere assertion...

And now I shall move on to other threads...

Regards,
Lee

badger3k

Promises, promises .

Seriously, Lee - it's an assertion and not an implication, in part because it was a one-time deal, it occurred after the other events, in a different cultural situation (and political), and may have been done for different reasons. Your attempt to link the supposed rationale for the one has no bearing on the rationale of the earlier slaughter. When you read Jesus saysing "turn the other cheek", does that mean that the OT phrase of "an eye for an eye" did not mean that at the time it was written? In other words, later writings would reflect a different manner of thought than that of older times, and would not apply retroactively. Despite many Christians attempts to do so, you cannot read backwards and apply things relating to later writers to the earlier ones. Your attempts to use the writings in the NT to infer reasons to the OT writings fails because of that (for one reason).

Societies evolve, and culture changes over time, and so do people's thoughts. There's also the different problems of trying to view events through our eyes and morality, and looking at it through theirs, but that is bigger (even if it has caused some problems or confusion here) so I only mention that to get a little closer to completion.

John A. Broussard

How did that affect Moses. He killed innocent babies. He seems no better than either Hitler or Stalin.

On, I get it. Moses killed but didn't have ill will toward the ones he killed, while Hitler and Stalin did. It does seem, from the viewpoint of an outsider, that there isn't much difference. Genocide is still genocide.

badger3k

You know, Lee's idea that the action/result does not matter while the intention does explains a lot of so-called Christian's activities. When they commit adultery, or cheat people out of money, or commit fraud, or lie, they can say they did not have the intention of doing harm, so they are not sinning!

I forget if someone quoted it here or elsewhere, but that "One Tin Soldier" song is really apt. They can justify it in the end...

Edit - it also explains the whole "lying for your faith" (or your argument) - you are doing it for God's Glory, so it doesn't matter how much you lie - the intent is everything.

lee_merrill

You all may have the last word...

Blessings,
Lee

John A. Broussard

Rather than quitting when you are backed into a corner (which seems to be your typical departure), why not admit that you were wrong, have changed your mind and then go on with the discussion?

Therese

Admit being wrong????? I think you are lacking some valuable information on the essence of being christian!!!! :Cheeky:

John A. Broussard

Maybe it's not just Christians. This belief in a supreme being--whatever variety--seems to engender a particlularly virulent form of self-righteousness. I suppose one can afford to have that attitude when you have big daddy on your side.