stephan huller

I have been research these things for so long I can't remember where I ran across a tradition that Marcion's dad was named 'Philologos.' I know I read something like this. Now I am wondering if the name was really 'Philotheos' which is a real name. Has anyone ran across this tradition? A google search reveals nothing either way. It's probably in Harnack but that book is so f---ing long and impossible to search.

stephan huller

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stephan huller

My son's contribution to the question.

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tanya

You knew I would be provoked by this!!!

Rack your brains, Stephan.

I bet you a wooden nickel, (roughly my net worth), that you are unable to remember the name of Marcion's MOTHER.

In fact, I bet you never encountered HER name.

In fact, I bet you never encountered ANYONE's MOTHER's name, with TWO exceptions:

a. Jesus;

b. Herakles

My question is simple.... WHY? Why does anyone discuss the mother of those two demigods?

stephan huller

believe it or not i hadnt even given you so much as a moment's thought. not a reflection on you. rather my busyness

stephan huller

http://whatweveforgotten.blogspot.co...rcion.html?m=1

here's another blogger who knows the tradition. but where does it come from?

tanya

I believe it.

Actually, you misunderstood my message. It was not intended to focus on ME.

I sought your explanation for why it is, that in all of ancient history, the only two men, for whom we focus attention on their mother, both happen to be, perhaps coincidentally, demigods.

Establishing the identity of Marcion's father may, or may not, be central to elaborating the history of the early Christian church.

I claim, without evidence, that it is utterly irrelevant nonsense, frankly, whether his father was xyz, or abc.

No one cares about Marcion's father. Certainly, I cannot imagine how knowledge of Marcion's father will help us to uncover the history of the church. I don't even understand how Marcion became a wealthy shipping owner, let alone, an essential benefactor to the nascent Christian church.

However, the same cannot be expressed, for Jesus' mother. Millions of people, all over the world, are devoted to her.

WHY?

She did not give millions to the church, as did Marcion. The church didn't even exist during her lifetime. How did the christian church ERASE Marcion's considerable influence, in such a short period of time? I think we could learn much more about the earliest christian movement, by studying how the second century leaders of the Church, destroyed Marcion's contribution, and elaborating why those church leaders were so focused on eliminating Marcion's influence. What terrible action did he take, that so aroused the wrath of his colleagues?

Arius, yes, I understand why Constantine agreed to kill of his old mentor/friend, because Arius indeed, had not bought into the trinitarian nonsense. But, Marcion's contribution was condemned one century BEFORE that whole controversy erupted.

What evil did Marcion propose, that had folks so indignant against him? That is in my mind, at least, a far more useful thread on this forum, than discussing Marcion's DNA profile, unless you imagine that it was precisely his ethnicity, that had folks so riled up against him?

But, see, that brings us full circle, back to Marcion's mother, for if it is Marcion's ethnicity that bothered folks, then his mother's contribution is even more significant, than his father's DNA, for his mother contributed, not only chromosomal DNA, but also mitochondrial DNA.....

Hahaha.

stephan huller

Here are some leads - "According to the Pseudo-Hip- polytus and Dorotheus ( see Baring-Gould) the first bishop of Sinope was Philologus,* a personal friend of S. Paul" http://books.google.com/books?id=ceD...ed=0CDMQ6AEwAA

"It is more than probable, therefore, that Marcion's father, who was also bishop of Sinope, had actual contact with Philologus. He may even have been his immediate successor as bishop. We should naturally suppose that at the time of "

In forming an estimate of Marcion, it is as •well to emphasise again the probable influence of Philologus upon him, which may well have been decisive. Philologus was the friend and disciple of Paul. He was also the founder and first bishop of the Church in Sinope, according to the evidence of the Pseudo-Hippolytus and Pseudo-Dorotheus. It is reasonable to assume that he lived until early in the 2nd century, and was perhaps alive ..." http://books.google.com/books?id=xug...ed=0CDQQ6AEwAA

Clearly there are two references that always seem to come up 'Pseudo-Hippolytus' (?) and Dorotheos. My guess is that the connection between Marcion and Philologus is an inference of modern scholars not an explicit statement in either source.