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show_no_mercy · 03-09-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio

“His letters” is a minefield of “textual science” controversy. We ought to be careful to attribute all Paul’s epistles to Paul.

Generally... 1 & 2 Corinthians, Romans, Galatians, 1 Thessalonians, Philemon, and Phillipeans are considered mostly authentic. 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians and Colossians have contested authorship, and 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus are generally considered inauthentic.

I think it's pretty safe to say that 2 Cor was written by the "same person" who wrote 1 Cor and the other "authentic" epistles. Whether the person who wrote it was actually named "Paul" and was one of the "original" apostles is probably a different question.

Julio · 03-09-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio

“His letters” is a minefield of “textual science” controversy. We ought to be careful to attribute all Paul’s epistles to Paul.

Generally... 1 & 2 Corinthians, Romans, Galatians, 1 Thessalonians, Philemon, and Phillipeans are considered mostly authentic. 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians and Colossians have contested authorship, and 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus are generally considered inauthentic.

I think it's pretty safe to say that 2 Cor was written by the "same person" who wrote 1 Cor and the other "authentic" epistles. Whether the person who wrote it was actually named "Paul" and was one of the "original" apostles is probably a different question.

Well, there you are! In fact, nothing can be considered genuine in terms of knowing EXACTLY who wrote what! Nothing in the NT. A dedicated student knows that there was MASSIVE tampering with the text in the second century. Check Charles B. Waite’s book “History of the Christian Religion to the Year Two Hundred” [1900], one of the best about that matter.

arnoldo · 03-10-2009, 05:44 PM

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False. Paul was writing concerning the division in the Corinthian believers regarding those who stated they were baptized by different apostles and would claim "I am of Paul," "I am of Cephas," "I am of Apollos," ect. Due to this controversy Paul rhetorically stated he wasn't set apart (apostello) to baptize and was greatful he only baptized a few at the Corinthian assembly. .

The following link has some more info on this matter for those interested: http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/ba/ba_07.htm

Look at 1 Corinthians 1.17

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For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel :not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

The words of the writer are right there. Don't you see them?

Perhaps Apollos and others were baptizing in their names, but the writer Paul was specifically sent to preach, not baptize, by revelation from the resurrected dead.

Paul specifically states that Apollos and others WERE NOT baptizing in their own names.

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