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manwithdream · 04-25-2008, 10:03 AM

I don't see why an apologetics book would be worse than an unbiased scholarly book if the writer gives proof for his beliefs and is fair in discussing the subject. Personally, I like them because they are usually more controversial and thought-provoking than unbiased scholarly books. Has JP Holding or any other apologetics writer written any good apologetics books?

Sheshonq · 04-25-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Layman

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I see - an earlier post identified the book as the Impossible Faith.

Which I think provides a cautionary note for learning about the new book on this discussion board.

It was an innocent case of mistaking one book for another. Not only that, but the identification was made as a question:

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Do you mean this book?

No need to invoke the Evil Atheist Conspiracy as an explanation for this error, Layman.

And the fact that you chose to do so says more about yourself than about any deficiency of this discussion board.

Sheshonq · 04-25-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by manwithdream

I don't see why an apologetics book would be worse than an unbiased scholarly book if the writer gives proof for his beliefs and is fair in discussing the subject.

Because right out of the starting gate, the apologetics book begins with axioms (sacred cows) that must be defended at all costs.

All other things being equal, that means the quality of the work will be less than a book without any such pre-ordained outcomes.

Clivedurdle · 04-25-2008, 11:23 AM

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pre-ordained outcomes.

Ah, but what the eac writes is also pre ordained - we are the children of Satan and predetermined before the foundations of the world to spend eternity in the flames of hell - we have no choice in the matter!:devil1:

Layman · 04-25-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheshonq

No need to invoke the Evil Atheist Conspiracy as an explanation for this error, Layman.

And the fact that you chose to do so says more about yourself than about any deficiency of this discussion board.

I think hasty conclusions based on bias is a better explanation than a conspiracy.

manwithdream · 07-03-2008, 09:40 AM

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According to one of the customer reviews, the person in question was Richard Carrier.

This is certainly public knowledge. I've reported it on my blog, as well as elsewhere, even from the start (how else do you think Holding knows how much money I was paid?). It is only Holding who never names me or tells his readers anywhere where to find this $5000+ response.

In case you, too, have been thwarted by Holding's cover-up job and didn't know where this response was, it's here: Was Christianity Too Improbable to be False? (2006).

However, I am very interested in his new book, and I would be pleased if someone informed me as soon as it became available for purchase. I'm willing to give it a fair shake, especially since I know Hannam is a real scholar, and might exercise some moderating influence on Holding's tone.

Can someone tell Richard Carrier the book is now available on Amazon (or via: amazon.co.uk)

FathomFFI · 07-03-2008, 09:44 AM

I understand why he'd want to publish such a book. The Jesus myth movement is in fact a religion all on it's own, after all. We see Doherty and others of the like butchering the NT and pulling verses out of context and assigning totally ludicrous meanings to them, as well as doing the same to many Greek words.

It's a religion, and should be treated the same as any other religion. Anyone who believes in that stuff is a religious person, in my view, and the view of many others.

James Hannam · 07-06-2008, 09:08 AM

As the subject comes up here occasionally, listers may be interested that Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist (or via: amazon.co.uk) (J.P. Holding ed.) is now out.

As I wrote the introduction to the book this post is a naked plug although sadly I have no remunerative interest.

Best wishes

James

Read the first chapter of God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science absolutely free.

aa5874 · 07-06-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by James Hannam

As the subject comes up here occasionally, listers may be interested that Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist (or via: amazon.co.uk) (J.P. Holding ed.) is now out.

As I wrote the introduction to the book this post is a naked plug although sadly I have no remunerative interest.

Best wishes

James

Read the first chapter of God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science absolutely free.

Did J P Holding shatter Matthew 1.18 and Acts 1.9?

Or is this another renumerative adventure by J P Holding?

According to the NT, Jesus was witnessed by Mary to be the offspring of the Holy Ghost and witnessed by the disciples to have floated physically through the clouds on his way to heaven.

And, the Church of Rome have NEVER recanted. That is their story and they are sticking to it.

Who are the witnesses for the HJ?

GakuseiDon · 07-06-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by James Hannam

As the subject comes up here occasionally, listers may be interested that Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist (or via: amazon.co.uk) (J.P. Holding ed.) is now out.

As I wrote the introduction to the book this post is a naked plug although sadly I have no remunerative interest.

Best wishes

James

I saw that. That person called Don Harper who writes on the Diabolical Mimicry issue seems to be as handsome as he is intelligent! I hope he writes more about this on the Internet.

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James Hannam Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kent, England Posts: 72	Shattering the Christ Myth As the subject comes up here occasionally, listers may be interested that Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist (or via: amazon.co.uk) (J.P. Holding ed.) is now out. As I wrote the introduction to the book this post is a naked plug although sadly I have no remunerative interest. Best wishes James Read the first chapter of God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science absolutely free.

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manwithdream Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: united states Posts: 156	I don't see why an apologetics book would be worse than an unbiased scholarly book if the writer gives proof for his beliefs and is fair in discussing the subject. Personally, I like them because they are usually more controversial and thought-provoking than unbiased scholarly books. Has JP Holding or any other apologetics writer written any good apologetics books?

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FathomFFI Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 327	I understand why he'd want to publish such a book. The Jesus myth movement is in fact a religion all on it's own, after all. We see Doherty and others of the like butchering the NT and pulling verses out of context and assigning totally ludicrous meanings to them, as well as doing the same to many Greek words. It's a religion, and should be treated the same as any other religion. Anyone who believes in that stuff is a religious person, in my view, and the view of many others.

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