DeepWaters

Even I find Chili's theology to be quite bizarre and unorthodox. Is he like a Gnostic or something? :huh:

I don't think he's the best person to answer on matters pertaining to the opening question on this thread.

Anybody else want to take a shot at it? Inquisitive01?

Chili

Simply because one must get to heaven through the son and so to know the son and not get into heaven contradicts this promise . . . unless it remains a promise until we die and that just might be what is meant by hell. Again, it is "through Jesus" and not 'to Jesus.' Ie, Jesus is the way but not the end.

In Catholicism the time we spend with Jesus is our Purgatory which is why I hold that the Gospels take place in what we call Purgatory. Be reminded here that Jesus was not God in the Gospels and not until he was crucified and rose from the death. In case you wish to know, the release of Barabbas signified the release of Christ which was upon the conviction of Jesus. Barrabas felt his pain because "he was under the same conviction" and that is why Jesus said "today you will be with me in paradise."

I am not sure if God send Jesus because the birth of Christ is contingent upon the virginity of Mary which in its turn depends on her Immaculate conception and that is our job to defend and protect with our hail Mary's etc.(major 'leap' here but notice that Mary proclaimed God as her savior through the greatness of the Lord who finds favor with the sons of men ("called and chosen" in response to "faith only")). But yes, the birth of Christ was and must be incipient from God but maybe on the Lord's initiative who also send John the Baptist to prepare the way.

inquisitive01

I already did.


Edited to add: Chili, I still don't quite understand what it is that Catholics believe regarding Jesus Christ. DeepWaters said something about being Gnostic, and I don't know what that means at all.

Peter Kirby

I would distinguish between what Chili says, what Chili is thinking (to which I have no access), what Catholics believe (try a Catholic board for that I guess), and what the RCC teaches. For that last, try here:

Catechism of the Catholic Church

This catechism interprets the Apostle's Creed, among other things. Catholics say the Nicene Creed at church. And, yes, they do believe in Christ as the Son of God, fully divine and human, etc.

The stuff about Jesus not becoming God until crucifixion is in direct contradiction to RCC theology. And purgatory is a term reserved for a state after death. Catholics vary in what they personally believe, but Amos/Chili goes above and beyond.

best,
Peter Kirby

Chili

I suppose it will just depends on who you talk to. They have a Cathechism out and that should tell you all about but I am not so sure if they read it. They say it's a big book and too big for anybody to remember it all so most of them don't even bother getting one.

Gnostics pretend that they know it all. It is just opposite to agnostic.

Chili

I like that one. The message here is that Catholics do not always believe what the Cathehism teaches. I think Peter that most of them don't even have one and I noticed that this new one is ten times as big as the old one.