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aa5874 · 01-19-2012, 11:27 PM

In "Church History" attributed to Eusebius the author claimed there were " Persecutions of Christians from the 1st century to the time of Trajan but upon examination I made a stunning discovery.

The First " Persecution of Christians" was under Nero according to Eusebius.

"Church History" 2.25

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...4. The Roman Tertullian is likewise a witness of this. He writes as follows: “Examine your records. There you will find that Nero was the first that persecuted this doctrine, particularly then when after subduing all the east, he exercised his cruelty against all at Rome........"

5. Thus publicly announcing himself as the first among God's chief enemies, he was led on to the slaughter of the apostles.

It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero....

So, in the First Peresecution only TWO so-called Christians are named Peter and Paul.

Now, let us examine the second Peresecution of "Christians".

Church History 3.17-18

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Domitian........ He was in fact the second that stirred up a persecution against us, although his father Vespasian had undertaken nothing prejudicial to us.

1. It is said that in this persecution the apostle and evangelist John, who was still alive, was condemned to dwell on the island of Patmos in consequence of his testimony to the divine word....

In the second Persecution of Christians ONLY John is named.

The Next persecution of Christians is under Trajan.

Church History 3.

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3. But there is nothing like hearing the historian himself, who writes as follows: “Certain of these heretics brought accusation against Symeon, the son of Clopas, on the ground that he was a descendant of David and a Christian; and thus he suffered martyrdom, at the age of one hundred and twenty years, while Trajan was emperor and Atticus governor.”

In the Third persecution only ONE Christian Simeon is named who was martyrd at the age of 120 years old.

So in all three Persecutions by Emperors of Rome Eusebius mention four "Christians" but they are all FICTITIOUS characters found in the NT Canon.

Eusebius did NOT mention any other "Christians".

Nero executed Peter and Paul.

Domitian banished John.

Trajan executed Simeon.

There was NO persecution of any Christians of the Jesus cult by any Emperor of Rome up to the time of Trajan because there were NO Jesus cult of Christians.

Duvduv · 01-20-2012, 01:02 AM

And were there really persecutions in the time of Justin with martyrs like Polycarp? I don't think so. It's all part of the scenery.

aa5874 · 01-20-2012, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

And were there really persecutions in the time of Justin with martyrs like Polycarp? I don't think so. It's all part of the scenery.

Justin did NOT lie and say that Polycarp was martyred. Justin mentioned NO character called Polycarp.

Please first read the writings attributed to Justin Martyr because only then you would realize that he did NOT name any Christian of the Jesus cult that was persecuted from the supposed ascension of Jesus to the time of Trajan.

Justin Martyr did NOT ever state that Christians of the Jesus cult were persecuted under Nero, Domitian and Trajan.

Duvduv · 01-20-2012, 06:20 AM

I didn't say that Justin did. I was just commenting.

aa5874 · 01-20-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

I didn't say that Justin did. I was just commenting.

Well, there was NO persecution of Christians of the Jesus cult up to Trajan because there was NO such cult based on Pliny the younger so it will be easy for you to IDENTIFY the LIARS.

Ignatius--Liar...He claimed he was to be martyred in epistles.

You can easily find out who the LIARS are.

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01-20-2012, 01:02 AM	#2
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	And were there really persecutions in the time of Justin with martyrs like Polycarp? I don't think so. It's all part of the scenery.

01-20-2012, 06:20 AM	#4
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	I didn't say that Justin did. I was just commenting.

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