Chili

It was the best thing the Jews ever did and did it often to set Man free from beneath the Jew.

And there were thousands of them shouting in chorus that he must die by their own law. I.e. they were not protestants, you know, who think they know better and feel sorry for Jesus, their savior and friend, and will go to war to defend that and realize they bombed the wrong country already before they get home. These Jews knew exactly what was going on and the Romans did them this favor, time and time again, because they are buddies and have this unique relationship together wherein they help each other to get the job done:

. . . and they killed Jesus, not Christ. Please try to remember that before it kills you.

Chili

Nono, even Hitler was a protestant after his jail-house conversion that got him the power from upon high to get the job done. Just another reformer that is all he was. But don't blame him as he was driven by this empowerment that is allowed to roam free after they shut the Inquisitor down.

Remember they always bomb the wrong country, I said? Well, Hitler was one of those too. I.e. they have everything just backwards after they get zapped.

Sheshbazzar

Sorry old friend. I'm not buying the story. There never was thousands of them shouting in chorus that he must die by their own law.
There never was any Jezuz of Nazareth outside of this stupid tale. Its simply another religious lie. A little fancier than most, but a complete lie.

It is a religious propaganda story. A lie, it is all one huge stinking lie from its stupid beginning to its ridiculous end.
The ones that really got killed were all of the victims that this monstrous religious lie has accumulated.

Chili

I have no trouble with you calling it propaganda of a word story, to say that the story itself is real and can be described with words so that we can relate to it as hunchbacks down below, trying to walk upright, let's say, to show our need for understanding and the reason that we are audience to them.

That is where the definition of 'real' is important so it can be forever real and not historic, to show the way that Logos is renewed in man throughout the ages by the generations.

Bottom line here is that for us to actualize logos and be the son we must re-enter our condition, fully, and so empty of paralogistic verbiage to emerge again neologically on the other side of life where eternity is at. That is intuit by design and so we look to see and listen to hear what this commotion is all about. Where at the bottom as seen by them: logos is primary to us to emerge again and again throughout the ages, and their message is designed for us. In the distance this makes infallibility a must and a contradiction without it.

Better yet, it must be manifest on both sides, and visible from both sides wherein logos is truth with beauty about it so we can relate to it, or pleasure would by only reserved for the rich man as it once was in Old British Law, while in fact, riches is a depravation of this shine, despite which, perhaps on account of which this precendent was set in Old British Law.

Nothing to do with the British, of course not, but with the short-sighted analytic point of view that the Saints do contradict in their own way as bondslave to beauty that binds them in likeness of the shine of truth in motion, which so is just as rewarding to them as wisdom is itself.

So we are not talking emotion but motion as an end in itself, now, wherein giving without receiving is the true radiance of the son on earth of whom she is the manifestion of beauty as the radiance of logos that makes love the shine of life eternal that only radiates without receiving . . . wherefore then in heaven the lamp is no longer needed.

Chili

Uhm eh, please take note, picked up in passing here that Joseph in Matthew and Mark was the rich man who got sacked instead while eating from the table, and the crucifixion event was just descriptive imagery of that event as tragedy.

Then compare this with Luke and John where Joseph was the upright Joseph picking up the scraps from the rich man under the table, and lo and behold: his one went to heaven!!!!! and not back to Galilee, where they surely will bury him someday.

And then note, that his fear of the Jews here was that he would become a Jew and joked with sin and slavery again.

Chili

Just call it decoration like a bouquet of roses with thorns to charm the argument, or the fiddler on the roof, maybe?