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outhouse · 02-18-2012, 11:37 PM

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If any of you people had any knowledge of the actually literary evidence you wouldn't allow you desires to direct what you think is or isn't possible.

you flat ignore everything I posted because you cannot refute it.

your basing your case on ignorance of literary evidence and not understanding how these legends were contructed and why they were constructed.

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All these haters of the Jews

who hates jews???

I love the religion, the theology, and the myths.

I feel they didnt pervert the god concept near as bad as how the christians butchered it

stephan huller · 02-19-2012, 12:16 AM

All these haters of the Jews = Manetho, Apion, Poseidonus

I only ignored what you have to say because you chose such a stupid name for yourself.

Doug Shaver · 02-19-2012, 03:24 AM

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My experience has been that the members of this forum hate all religions equally.

You can interpret your experience however it suits you.

Whether I believe a given source has nothing to do with whether I feel any affection for that source. I love my wife, but I don't believe everything she tells me. On the other hand, I will believe some things I hear from people I cannot stand.

Just for the record, though, I don't hate any religion.

Doug Shaver · 02-19-2012, 03:28 AM

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But this is mountainman logic albeit masked in intellectual snobbery.

Must be so, if there is no other way to explain how someone can think you're mistaken.

Sheshbazzar · 02-19-2012, 04:30 AM

Stephan, you have repeatedly cited something allegely written by Manetho as being the reason for your persuasion.

Thus it should not be unreasonable to ask of you, exactly what it is that you think was written by Manetho?

outhouse · 02-19-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

All these haters of the Jews = Manetho, Apion, Poseidonus

I only ignored what you have to say because you chose such a stupid name for yourself.

My name is John, so it fits, thank you

and dont worry about my name, its a online forum and ive had the name for over a decade and dont feel like changing it for this forum.

it means I can take all your crap, and have room for more.

and im full of it, at times

lighten up Francis :wave:

outhouse · 02-19-2012, 09:52 AM

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But did not the migration from Mesopotamia and Egypt have something to do witha drought that caused great famine ???

There wasn't any big migration OUT of Egypt or into Cannan, but migrations INTO Egypt happened during drought because the reliable annual flooding of the Nile gave the Egyption agricultural cycles a lot of stability. Egypt lasted a ling tome because it had the Nile and didn't have to depend on rain.

Lots of people would go INTO Egypt when times were bad. It was a refuge during drought.

After the Hyksos, the Egyptians became paranoid and xenophobic and stopped letting people in. They weren't trying stop anybody from leaving. If anything, they wanted people to leave.

Funny thing is, though, going to Canaan wasn't leaving. Egypt occupied Canaan at the time. The Israelites would have just been basically escaping to an Egyptian province.

Sorry again

I was talking about the bronze age collapse that was the catalyst for the migration of semetic speaking people to the levant

Chili · 02-19-2012, 10:04 AM

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You could go on your own "exodus", challenge Pharoah, follow the evidence, rather than being Pharoahs slave.

Then you would use this myth in a positive fashion, rather than confusing the metaphor with an historical story

Nice line, and let me add to make sure that Herod does not get you because he is real, but likely on a casual relaxed pursuit all on your own he will just 'leave you be' but just will not give you the answer that you are looking for.

Let me add a significant line to this idea wherein "Herod and Pilate, who previously had been set against each other, became friends from that day" in Luke but not in Matthew and in Mark . . . so that peace on earth was real from that day on in Luke (23:12) but not in Matthew and in mark. Significant then here is 'who Herod and Pilate really are' if when they became friends peace on earth is real.

Chili · 02-19-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

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All these haters of the Jews

who hates jews???

I love the religion, the theology, and the myths.

I feel they didnt pervert the god concept near as bad as how the christians butchered it

Much worse than 'buchered it' but 'acted on it' by their idea of faith and butchered their own intergity and collectively the 'integrity of America as nation under God,' which now could be said 'waay under God' and may just be at the bottom of you outhouse.

Duvduv · 02-19-2012, 10:33 AM

I wonder just what the unbiased scientific criteria or laws actually are for determining what is considered a "myth" and what is not. We consider the wars of ancients gods to be a myth, and yet some consider the idea that millions of people died in gas chambers also to be a myth.
Is myth just a catch word for anything people subjectively don't want to believe to be true, whenever it happened in history?

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02-19-2012, 12:16 AM	#122
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	All these haters of the Jews = Manetho, Apion, Poseidonus I only ignored what you have to say because you chose such a stupid name for yourself.

02-19-2012, 04:30 AM	#125
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Stephan, you have repeatedly cited something allegely written by Manetho as being the reason for your persuasion. Thus it should not be unreasonable to ask of you, exactly what it is that you think was written by Manetho?

02-19-2012, 10:33 AM	#130
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	I wonder just what the unbiased scientific criteria or laws actually are for determining what is considered a "myth" and what is not. We consider the wars of ancients gods to be a myth, and yet some consider the idea that millions of people died in gas chambers also to be a myth. Is myth just a catch word for anything people subjectively don't want to believe to be true, whenever it happened in history?

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