River

The Qur'an mentions that the Holy Injeel was the Scripture of Jesus Christ

The NT is NOT the Injeel but some kind of derivative. The NT is actuality

a specific collection of hadiths pertaining to Jesus Christ. However, it is not

as reliable as say Sahih Bukhari or other classic Islamic hadith

collections because it does NOT painstakingly preserve the chain of

transmission or the reliability of the Chain of narration. Mark, Matthew, John and

Luke are simply placeholders with considerable amount of cross-referencing between

them

The Qur'an also states that the Taurat mentions Prophet Muhammad by name.

The Islamic traditions state that the "Original Torah" will be resurrected by

the Mahhdi at Antioch.

Historically speaking there is a great deal of Evidence showing alterations of

OT. The OT contains Yahvist, Elohist and Sacerdotal texts interweaved

across time and space. And there is evidence showing that the Torah was

destroyed or displaced atleast once. Thus, the role of Prophet Ezra

to resurrect the Torah via memory....



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River

Have you heard of Lawhz-i-Mahfuz

The Qur'an is the last chapter of Lawh-i-Mahfuz ( The Preserved Tablet), a heavently text that contains information beyond matter...it is the "Book of Books" and contains the primordial form of all 315 Scriptures that were sent down to Earth from Heaven. (inluding the Qur'an which is the last chapter) The Angel Gabriel was responsible for implanting the Qur'anic code into Muhammad's heart, so that he would be receptive to receiving the rest of the revelations. Gabriel purifed and cleansed Muhammad's heart. Before this event...Gabriel commanded the unlettered Prophet to " recite"....How could he recite...when he was unlearned?....that is because Gabriel was presenting a Scripture from the metaphysical realm ...and penetrating it into Muhammad's Essense.


Abrogation is a natural part of the reform process. In a global sense the Torah abrogated the Avesta, and the Qur'an abrogated or superceded the Torah and the Gospel. However, not one word has changed in the metaphysical realm where the Preserved Tablet is stored.

In terms of Abrogation within the Qur'an. I have stated earlier that it provides a necessary component of the reform process. It is natural. Certain earlier verses provided "training wheels" for the new companions
to get them geared up for Islam. Thus, drinking was permitted originally, and then greater discipline was required for the Sahaba (companions), thus prayer was allowed only in a sober state. Finally drinking was eradicated when the companions grew in Spiritual aptitude.

The Qur'an in its Crystallized form (the form we have today) is meant for all peoples and is valid till Judgement Day.

The final Qur'an was ordered according to the Messenger Gabriel, who arranged the Qur'an meticulously according to the Preserved Tablet. This is the Qur'an we have today.

Take home message. God's word don't change and God is aware of all things
as well as any tampering or restructuring attempts by mankind.


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Wads4

Hurrah!--I was right, as always.

River

LOL. Not really.... but whatever floats your boat.


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Chris Weimer

What River, did you hear me calling your name, or was the thread just too good to pass up on. After all this time your still around trying to pass off your oft-refuted theories of the perfection of the Quran?

River

This is a very, very simple question.

Remember, the Qur'an is not arranged in a chronological fashion.

Thus, it refers to the Creation of man (in stages) in different sections

of the Scripture.

We are told that

Adam was Created from a very specific admixture of Clay and Water

1) In fact all living things are created from Water


Have not "those who disbelieve" known heavens and earth were of one piece,We parted them and, We made every living thing of water
Will they not then believe? (Qur'an 21:30)

2) In October, 2003 It has been demonstrated by Scientists that the scenario

of life originating from Clay is indeed possible. The following article was

carried by MSNBC and CNN outlets

http://www.msnbc.com/news/984289.asp?cp1=1

3) Elsewhere in the Qur'an we are told that man is created from a drop of

Semen :

During sexual intercourse, 250 million sperms are emitted from the male at a

time. The sperms undertake an arduous journey in the mother's body until

they make it to the ovum. Only a thousand out of 250 million sperms succeed

in reaching the ovum. At the end of this five-minute race, the ovum, half the

size of a grain of salt, will let only one of the sperms in. That is, the essence

of man is not the whole semen, but only a small part of it. This is explained

in the Qur'an:

"Does man reckon he will be left uncontrolled (without purpose)? Was he not once a drop of ejected semen?" (The Qur'an, 75:36-37)

As we have seen, the Qur'an informs us that man is made not from the entire

semen, but only a small part of it. That the particular emphasis in this

statement announces a fact only discovered by modern science is evidence

that the statement is divine in origin.

In addition to these Quranic statements , some people asked the Prophet

about coitus interruptus as a method for birth control. In the hadiths, the

Prophet (pbuh) advised against coitus interruptus

4) The idea that the human embryo is fashioned from "congealed blood"

is supported by prominent anatomist and embryologist Keith Moore who gives

his own testimony of the Qur'an in the following link:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...cientists.html

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

while there are websites that say the embryological stages of the Qur'an

are self-contradicting ( i.e the notorious answering-islam website)....

why on earth would I trust the opinions of laymen over ....Keith Moore who is

a leading authority in his field?


-River

River

Thanks for the compliment.

oft-refuted? by whom !

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River

Perhaps , you opened Pandora's box......



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premjan

Pandora was pagan though (Is that name related to Pindar?).

Iskander

Thank you for your enjoyable and unexpected post

I am a Christian because it is a religion that sits lightly on my shoulders and provides the tradition and social cohesion of a way of life that I value and love.

Our success has made Christianity a desirable target for scalp hunters and our political and social freedom makes it easy for others to express themselves in the most extravagant manner

Those people who like to look back in anger instead of considering ways of doing the most of what we got –and it is an awful lot indeed!- find it easy to focus on bits of our history and treat unfortunate past events as pertaining to some inherent and hereditary defect in our psychological make up. But peoples with less well-known history have experienced an equivalent suffering in some form or another.

I choose to live in my time in history instead of regurgitating worthless historical criticism

To day we enjoy equality but to day inequality is enshrined in the Koran and
Islam

These are only a small sample of the perfect Koran

Not one single letter in the Koran enjoins equality, rather it enjoins justice

Based on this, Islam does not regard men and women as equal in matters where regarding them as equal would result in injustice to one of them, because equality that is inappropriate is a severe form of injustice

Testimony or bearing witness: The Koran states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women, Two women are to take the place of one man because women are lacking in reason,

A woman inherits half of what a man inherits