Sauron

.....I see that Elisha the Newbie is now calling for the moderators to delete Steven Carr's postings, for:

• giving specific details when and were Turkel / Holding has switched positions and contradicted himself; and
• pointing out the other ancient claims that never were debunked by Holding's band of roving skeptical investigators; and
• alleged "off subject allegations" - evidently, detailing internal inconsistency and factual inaccuracy is "off the subject" when it comes to christian apologetics

Whenever fundies can't deal with their heroes being shot down, you'll soon hear the cry, "Send in the censors! Send in the censors!"

WinAce

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^ The above doesn't mean you'll be censored, just exercise good judgement. Name-calling and condescension is so passe, anyway. Might wanna leave it to the Christian apologists.

Kosh, your statement about Tarmac's quality of linked arguments is famous!

Kosh

I'd like to help you out, but I just don't have the time. I've got two projects going in the woodshop right now, and my oldest son is having problems focusing in school, so I have to deal with that.

You're doing great though. I sure hope that doctor outfit Elisha is wearing was a Halloween costume. It'd be scary to think that someone with those reasoning skills would be allowed to cut people open....

Steven Carr

http://cafe.planetwisdom.com/tc/v311...T;f=13;t=14851

has more of Elisha's calls for silence



Paul's comments in Galatians 1 are interesting

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!


So obviously somebody was lying and some lies were believed.

Notice that Paul says to condemn and ignore anybody who tells people differently from what he tells them.

So if Paul was telling false stories, how could they be debunked?

Debunkers would be at once condemned and ignored.

Kosh

I'm still hoping for some kind of official "term" for this sort of protection mechanism. Brainwashing? Manipulation?

Perhaps we need a logcial fallacy for it?

Argumentum ad Preemptivous Strikus

Or is it simply poisoning the well proactively?

Infidelettante

Hello WinAce, _The Birth of Christianity_ Joel Carmichael, Dorset Press p51, 68

Kosh

Did you mean _The Birth of Christianity_, John Dominic Crossan ?

Infidelettante

Nope, it is Joel Carmichael. Now I have to get to B&N next pay day and don't you know Crossans' won't be in the discount rack.

Toto

Birth of Christianity by Joel Carmichael (out of print)

also by Joel Carmichael

The Unriddling of Christian Origins: A Secular Account

Kosh

It's not easy reading. It's not the subject matter, it's his style. He's, uh, verbose.

(he's the likeable Irish priest you always see on the DSC and History channel specials...)