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Old 07-27-2006, 07:24 PM   #1
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Default catacombs of Rome as containing archeological evidence of pre-Nicaean christianity

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Another piece of archeology I should mention are the tombs in the catacombs, that are supposedly Christian and some dated to the third century(the 200s), which would pre-date Constantine. I remember hearing this from our tour guide while touring the catacombs on one of my trips to Rome. I believe these are in the Catacombs of Callistus (but there are several systems of catacombs that have been found in Rome, and I've read in some places that some date to the second century (but I cannot vouch for the accuracy or veracity of those claims, nor those of the Callistus tourguides)

That the catacombs of Rome hold archeological evidence
of the existence of the Josephian "Tribe of Christians" on
the planet in the pre-Nicaean epoch is often referred to
by tour guides of said ancient Roman structures, but is it
indeed said by any archeological reports, which can be
cited and referenced in this forum?

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That the catacombs of Rome hold archeological evidence
of the existence of the Josephian "Tribe of Christians" on
the planet in the pre-Nicaean epoch is often referred to
by tour guides of said ancient Roman structures, but is it
indeed said by any archeological reports, which can be
cited and referenced in this forum?

Thankyou for your patience.




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May I politely ask what a "Josephian Tribe of Christians" is referring to...? What is this supposed to mean...?
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May I politely ask what a "Josephian Tribe of Christians" is referring to...? What is this supposed to mean...?
It refers to the Testimonium Flavianum in which a fourth century
interpolator has made reference to "the tribe of christians". Read
it carefully.

It was considered as the earliest non-christian evidence
for the existence of said "tribe of christians" on this planet.
We now are in a position to perceive that this literary reference
(note: it is a literary reference, not an archeological reference)
is essentially fraudulent.

We seek archeological citations for the catacombs
as containing anything related to said "tribe of christians"
from the pre-Nicaean Epoch, otherwise, it become self-
evidently clear that the whole phenomena of christianity
as a pre-Nicaean entity, has been fabricated in the fourth
century.


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All I know is that when I visited the catacombs in Rome, I got an Irish American Priest as a tour guide, who saw the whole thing as a devotional exercise. He also emphasised the poverty and equality of the early Christians, and was a bit annoyed by my observation that the artwork could not have been cheap.

Perhaps I should have visited the Jewish catacombs.

BTW. Did the Romans bury their dead, or cremate them?
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That the catacombs of Rome hold archeological evidence
of the existence of the Josephian "Tribe of Christians" on
the planet in the pre-Nicaean epoch is often referred to
by tour guides of said ancient Roman structures, but is it
indeed said by any archeological reports, which can be
cited and referenced in this forum?
Perhaps this question may help frame the worthiness of any debate on this topic:

Are you saying that the Emperor Constantine COULDN'T have created fake catacombs to prove his fake history of Christianity?
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Are you saying that the Emperor Constantine COULDN'T have created fake catacombs to prove his fake history of Christianity?
Clearly authoritarian Constantine would have appreciated the acute and absolute imperative of assembling anachronistic artistic artifacts anticipating applied archaeological archival atttempts .
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Clearly authoritarian Constantine would have appreciated the acute and absolute imperative of assembling anachronistic artistic artifacts anticipating applied archaeological archival atttempts .
If his own burial arrangements are anything to go by,
Constantine saw himself as the thirteenth apostle.
Thats alot of aliteration, btw
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It refers to the Testimonium Flavianum in which a fourth century
interpolator has made reference to "the tribe of christians". Read
it carefully.

It was considered as the earliest non-christian evidence
for the existence of said "tribe of christians" on this planet.
We now are in a position to perceive that this literary reference
(note: it is a literary reference, not an archeological reference)
is essentially fraudulent.

We seek archeological citations for the catacombs
as containing anything related to said "tribe of christians"
from the pre-Nicaean Epoch, otherwise, it become self-
evidently clear that the whole phenomena of christianity
as a pre-Nicaean entity, has been fabricated in the fourth
century.


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The use of pylon (tribe) for Christians indicates an Eusbian origin of the TF. But you mean something bigger than this, right?

What do you think of Jow Atwill's Caeser's Messiah?

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The use of pylon (tribe) for Christians indicates an Eusbian origin of the TF. But you mean something bigger than this, right?
Yes, a Eusebian origin for the entire "tribe" of prenicene citations
in respect of "the tribe of christians". That all references to pre-nicene
christianity are Eusebian fabrications (c.312-324 CE) sponsored by
Constantine.

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What do you think of Joe Atwill's Caeser's Messiah?
An interesting (FJ) theory. I'd like to know what Atwill makes
of the Eusebian "Ecclesiastical History" (ie: the mainstream
chronology and development of "christian" citations).
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Yes, a Eusebian origin for the entire "tribe" of prenicene citations
in respect of "the tribe of christians". That all references to pre-nicene
christianity are Eusebian fabrications (c.312-324 CE) sponsored by
Constantine.
He made up the Heretics too? Why would Eusebius do that?
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