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Old 01-28-2008, 12:07 PM   #381
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Ilike how you guys use maniland instead of field. By using mainland you are trying to seperate the island from the mainland. Ezekiel said field that was out side the mainland city gates. Tyre and Old TyRE ARE THE SAME KINGDOM same city. And Nebby and the nations were only to diminish Tyre which they did by destroying the mainland. God makes it more than clear He will will bury the island under the sea. In ch 27 it says the inhabitants on the island will fall into the sea with it. This shows that the bringing the deep over Tyre has nothing to do with Alex laying the mainland city in the water. Two judgements two locations same city..Zek does not seperate the two. And by the way look at how many so called christians are in America, but yet this country rivals Sodom in immorality....being a christain means nothing....obeying God does. :wave:
I like how you guys use "fields" instead of "mainland" trying to equate the island with the mainland. You act like WE MADE IT UP.

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel 26:6 (New International Version)
...and her settlements on the mainland will be ravaged by the sword...
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...He will slay your daughters on the mainland with the sword; and he will make...
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...and her daughters on the mainland shall be killed by the sword...
And here's my favorite example:

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...her villages on the shore across from the island will be destroyed by war...
:rolling: would you like more? These various translations show the thought behind the original text and that your ENTIRE PREMISE IS INCORRECT. Shall we say... pwned!!!

Also, it seems that God missed his chance to destroy the island, because THERE IS NO MORE ISLAND. See what happens when you procrastinate?

As to Sodom, God told Lot that he wouldn't destroy that city if he could find just 10 righteous men in it. Are you saying ALL the christians in Tyre are not serving God properly? I'm sure they'd beg to differ.:wave:
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:18 PM   #382
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Wow sugar. I see you've gone from splitting hairs to splitting hair molecules. What you've been arguing for the last couple of pages makes NO DIFFERENCE! Ezekiels prophecy was against TYRE and HER DAUGHTERS ON THE MAINLAND. Meaning in Ezekiels mind they were two seperate entities. If Tyre's daughters are on the mainland, then where does that leave Tyre? Don't think too hard, but the answer is: ON THE ISLAND. Even if you're arguement is granted, the prophecy is still a failure, because TYRE is still there!.
Tyre is not there.
The photographs say otherwise.

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The Columbia Encyclopedia, under its entry for Tyre, noted: “The principal ruins of the city today are those of buildings erected by the Crusaders. There are some Greco-Roman remains, but any left by the Phoenicians lie underneath the present town” (“Tyre,” 2006, emp. added).
Which doesn't mean the city isn't there.

There are also ruins under the city of Jerusalem. By your busted, lame interpretation that proves that Jerusalem isn't there. Right? :rolling: :rolling:

10 seconds, arnoldo - that's all it takes to keep you from embarrassing yourself with posts like that.

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Tyre failed to rebuild itself after it's destruction.
Wrong. It most certainly did rebuild.

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Do you have historical proof that after Alexander the Great destroyed Tyre the phoenicians rebuilt it?
Yes.
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:22 PM   #383
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The point is that Sugarhitman can not be incorrect, for him, the Tyre prophecy must be 100% correct or his own worldview and belief crumbles since he is depending on the bible being 100% correct. He will do anything, ignore anything, rewrite reality to the unrecognizable just in order to try to squeeze the bible into reality.

Personally, I think he is afraid of himself.
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Ilike how you guys use maniland instead of field. By using mainland you are trying to seperate the island from the mainland. Ezekiel said field that was out side the mainland city gates. Tyre and Old TyRE ARE THE SAME KINGDOM same city. And Nebby and the nations were only to diminish Tyre which they did by destroying the mainland. God makes it more than clear He will will bury the island under the sea. In ch 27 it says the inhabitants on the island will fall into the sea with it. This shows that the bringing the deep over Tyre has nothing to do with Alex laying the mainland city in the water. Two judgements two locations same city..Zek does not seperate the two. And by the way look at how many so called christians are in America, but yet this country rivals Sodom in immorality....being a christain means nothing....obeying God does. :wave:
I like how you guys use "fields" instead of "mainland" trying to equate the island with the mainland. You act like WE MADE IT UP.







And here's my favorite example:

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel 26:6 (New Century Version)
...her villages on the shore across from the island will be destroyed by war...
:rolling: would you like more? These various translations show the thought behind the original text and that your ENTIRE PREMISE IS INCORRECT. Shall we say... pwned!!!

Also, it seems that God missed his chance to destroy the island, because THERE IS NO MORE ISLAND. See what happens when you procrastinate?

As to Sodom, God told Lot that he wouldn't destroy that city if he could find just 10 righteous men in it. Are you saying ALL the christians in Tyre are not serving God properly? I'm sure they'd beg to differ.:wave:
Oh the lenghts they go to escape. No that was not what I was saying. Being called a christian does not mean you are a biblical christain I.E. one who follows the teachings of Jesus. There are many christians who are open minded and liberal. Being a christian means nothing. :wave:
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:27 PM   #385
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Hi there; I'm a rational christian; I'm here to discuss any questions you might have.
1) Uh...well, the bible doesn't quite say *that*; I think--

2) Where? Where in the bible do you see--oh. Well, that's out of context.

3) Yes it is.

4) Look, that's not a fair question. Tyre is not there, those Google Earth images mean nothing. So...maybe you can tell me how we got here. You don't believe you came from monkeys, do you?

5) I already told you why that was out of context; don't change the subject.

6) Yes I did; scroll up.

7) Why can't you just believe in God?

8) John 3.16 says Jesus died for your sins, you selfish, sinful, unworthy atheist/agnostic/unbeliever/Darwinist/materialist

9) Believe me or burn in hell forever and ever.

10) Yeah, whatever, Fools; I'll laugh at you from heaven while you burn in hell with your monkey parents LOL!
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Actually all our sources separate Tyre from Ushu. You can sing and dance and jump through hoops, but you can't fudge your way past that fact. Ushu is the name of the the city on the mainland. Tyre is the island. It's that simple. Ezekiel tells you that Tyre is the island, as it's in the midst of the sea.

So, you shut your eyes and pretend that fact hasn't been said, so now you're trying to cling to one meaning of $DH, ie "field", but there are three basic meanings of $DH,
  1. "open field, country",
  2. "field, portion of land", and
  3. "land (as opposed to sea)"
and after talking about Tyre in the midst of the sea, we must assume that $DH takes the third meaning. *Poof* goes another shred of credibility.
"We must assume" In other words you are not sure. :wave:
Yup. There isn't another logical conclusion. Another of your hideouts gone.


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Oh the lenghts they go to escape. No that was not what I was saying. Being called a christian does not mean you are a biblical christain I.E. one who follows the teachings of Jesus. There are many christians who are open minded and liberal. Being a christian means nothing. :wave:
So they're not really christian? Whatever... it's beside the point anyway. Please address the rest of my post, or shall we just consider this yet another evasion on your part?
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Hi there; I'm a rational christian; I'm here to discuss any questions you might have.
1) Uh...well, the bible doesn't quite say *that*; I think--

2) Where? Where in the bible do you see--oh. Well, that's out of context.

3) Yes it is.

4) Look, that's not a fair question. Tyre is not there, those Google Earth images mean nothing. So...maybe you can tell me how we got here. You don't believe you came from monkeys, do you?

5) I already told you why that was out of context; don't change the subject.

6) Yes I did; scroll up.

7) Why can't you just believe in God?

8) John 3.16 says Jesus died for your sins, you selfish, sinful, unworthy atheist/agnostic/unbeliever/Darwinist/materialist

9) Believe me or burn in hell forever and ever.

10) Yeah, whatever, Fools; I'll laugh at you from heaven while you burn in hell with your monkey parents LOL!
Who and to what are you talking to? :banghead:
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Wow...satire is really lost on some people.
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"We must assume" In other words you are not sure. :wave:
Yup. There isn't another logical conclusion. Another of your hideouts gone.


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Ofcourse there is if there was a city on the coast with walls with villages outside those walls. I dont expect you guys really to believe all this. After all you did call the prophecy of Israel a self-fulfilling prophecy, Daniel prophecies nothing but a inaccurate history book, Greece the 4th kingdom, there was no Medo-Persian empire (my favorite by the way), Soloman did not exist, Israel never was in Egypt, Antiochus destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, Nebby attacked island Tyre with land based weapons, there is no bare spot on mainland Tyre, Tyre is still a great city with vast wealth, Micheal the Angel is the Messiah of Daniel, ten horns of the 4th kingdom represents the 20 something kings of greek syria, on and on it goes. :huh::wave:
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