Stumpjumper

That part is fulfilled in the New Testament there Q...

But, it is also clear that God's relationship with Adam did not end after the mythical encounter in the Garden or Genesis would be very short indeed

Quetzalcoatl

What does the New Testament have to do with an ancient creation myth?

Are you saying it took until the New Testament for god to forgive mankind?

So god had a mythical encounter in the garden, and man falling was allegory so I guess Jesus dying was also a myth or are you saying that god had to literally die to fulfill an ancient creation myth?

WishboneDawn

I don't believe he cursed them in the story. He had warned them they would die if they ate the fruit. They ate it, he was merciful. He told them that life was going to be tough outside of the garden. Adam was going to have to work and Eve was going to give birth and it was going to hurt. More along the lines of kicking the slacker son out and saying, "Now boy, you're going to have to work for a living. No more free ride." No, "I curse you..." stuff...except for the snake.

Quetzalcoatl

Where did I say he cursed them? I said he cursed the ground. He purposely made it more difficult to survive outside the garden. He invented thistles and thorns for no other purpose but to make their life difficult.

Its like kicking out your slacker son and telling all the business not to hire him.

So answer the question. Why didn’t god forgive Adam?

Joeman

Christians have a messed up concept of time.

God didn't really create in 6 days. A day for him might have been a million years for us.

God said circumcision in your flesh is an everlasting covenant, but he really just meant at most 1000 years.

In Matthew 24 when Jesus said this generation will not pass away until he returns, a generation is still going for all we know.

Peter says one day is a thousand years for the lord or a thousand years is one day.

Well, since the bible is God's word, I guess he is talking to himself. We humans define a day as the period between sunrises or sunset. If God is unable to make his words unequivocal, he is not all powerful. Also we are not responsible for not following his words since he is talking to himself.

steamer

Your god does exactly this. You can kill, rape, commit genocide, anything so long as you promise not to do it again and take Jesus as you personal saviour. I agree it is a god to be despised and this sort of justice is a complete joke. I just can't understand why you don't see it.

WishboneDawn

I apologize. You're right. Whoops.

Quetzalcoatl

No problem. Anglicans are o.k in my book:wave: .

After my finals I’ll make a post saying why they are hypocrites:devil3: . Stay tuned.

So why didn’t god forgive Adam?

WishboneDawn

Oh damn.

Keep in mind that Anglicans are a diverse group too, going from lefty, pinko commie preachers to nutty, intolerant Nigerian Bishops.

I don't want to think that much tonight!

God didn't forgive Adam because that wasn't the relationship God had with man at that time. The relationship of the OT is very much one of keeping the law or being toasted. Obedience and punishment. Forgiveness is something that came into play when jesus made his appearence.

Or/and

Forgiveness does not need to mean you get to escape responsibility or punishment for your actions. A mother may forgive her son's killer but he still has to serve his time in jail. Forgiveness does not erase debt. God did extend grace or/and mercy to Adam and Eve. He didn't toast them on the spot. Reading back as a christian I could see an implied forgiveness because of that. But I'm hestitant to read hebrew texts looking for christian messages.

Or/and

....I'll have to think more. That's a good question, thanks.

Stacey Melissa

Because that would've made sense. Making sense is among God's least favorite activities.

Because an omnipotent God can't just print money. He needs your money.

Well, "all-loving" is inclusive of the love of extreme sadism, is it not?