Sheshonq

Uh, yes he did - he merely failed at it.

You should be acquainted with the concept of failure - it seems to follow you around whenever you try to support your argument. :rolling:

Sheshonq

No, it did not. Let's watch while I school you:

1. Nebuchadnezzar would attack Tyre (v. 7-11)
No, the prophecy was that he would DESTROY Tyre -- not merely attack it.

2. The city would be destroyed (v. 8-12)
Which never happened, not by Nebuchadnezzar nor by any other conqueror.

3. The rocks would be scraped into the sea (v. 4)
That is the prediction of what the army of Babylon would do. It failed.

4. Many nations would fight against the city (v. 3)
Which happened under the Babylonian invasion - but still failed to carry out the destruction mentioned in the prophecy.

5. Fisherman would spread their nets on the city (v. 5, 14)
Which hardly counts as a prophecy, since fishermen have been operating out of Tyre since before recorded history

6. It would never be rebuilt (v. 14)[/QUOTE]
Which failed spectacularly, since it was rebuilt several times.

Arnoldo, arnoldo, arnoldo..........

I really have to give you credit - when you decide to lose, you don't just lose one time and call it a day. Nosiree - you fail a sixpack at a time. :rolling:

Sheshonq

He didn't. Ezekiel's prediction was that Nebuchadnezzar would do that - which he didn't.

And neither Alexander nor Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Tyre. So it doesn't matter how you twist the words, it still dead-ends in a failed prophecy.

Sucks to be arnoldo today! :rolling:

Sheshonq

No they are not!

Yes it does!

It matters a whole bunch!

Rational adults wouldn't believe it so all you have are irrational Christians believing it!

Then why are they kicking your sorry ass all over the place!

Gee and you can't spell or type in anything except kindergarten fonts!

Sheshonq

TRUE!

Sheshonq

False! They are Phoenicians!


Gee, this is getting fun. Debate by font format; what will those clever little fundies think of next to distract the audience from their failed arguments?

Lunawalk

The prophecy is that Tyre would be compleley detroyed. the ruins dumped into the sea. Never to be rebuilt.
Nebuchadnezzar and his army was supposed to destroy tyre not Alexander. After Alexander destroyed it was rebuilit and still exists today. Ezekiel admited the failure of the prophecy in chap 29 by awarding Nebuchadnezzar egypt. Which also didn't happen.
He was simply wrong about Tyre. Just my 2 cents

Sheshonq

Some things to note:

1. When researching for my paper, I focused on ETDAV as the best case example of common fundamentalist nonsense surrounding prophecies. What I discovered is that McDowell often misquoted or 'creatively interpreted' his sources.

2. I should also note that McDowell didn't actually do any of this research; he farmed it out to undergrads and occasionally some grad students most (if not all) of whom were studying totally unrelated courses in school (ie., they were engineering students, not archaeology students);

3. McDowell was made aware on multiple occasions that this particular chapter of his book - Chapter 11 - was filled with obvious historical mistakes, contradictions, and outright falsehoods. Apparently many complaints were lodged against the content of this chapter in particular.

4. Finally, in the latest edition of ETDAV entirely omits chapter 11 - removed from the book totally - the unstated reason being that even McDowell knew it was not defensible.

Sheshonq

Yah. That's where we found the mistakes at.

No, it didn't work that way.

Uh, no.

Same as before Alexander.

Lord Emsworth

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