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CHIEFS AND THEIR COUNCILS
or
THE NATURE OF REVELATIONS

1-Kings 22:5. But Jehoshafant also said to the king of Israel, "First seek the counsel of the Lord."

6. So the king of Israel brought together the prophets --about four hundred men -- and asked them, "Shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"

19. Micaiah continued, "Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the hosts of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20.And the Lord said, "Who will entice Ahab....?" One suggested this, an another that....... 23. So now the Lord has put a LYING spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours.

55. Bucshit, the king of Israel consulted again the prophets of his Inner Circle -- Pearly and Libbaeus, Horowitzim and Kisserly, and the others -- who, inspired by the Lord's lying spirit, convinced him that victory would be his over the Tigris and the Euphrates, the land of petroil and honey.

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A brief clarification of a segment of history for the Gentiles who are not well versed in the Bible, and for a historical background of Jesus of Nazareth for the Gentile Christians of all denominations.

In Post # 1, I quoted a conversation bwteen a King of Judah and a king of Israel. This division existed at in the times of Jesus, only that Samaria (which used to belong to the Kingdom of Israel) had already bacame politically autonomous. Samaria corresponds roughly to the northern West Kank of the Jordan River.
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For maps and information, these are convenient references:

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria

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In Jesus's times, then, Samaria was distinct from the Kingdom of Israel [or the Northern Kingdom], which geographically corresponds to Galilee, the land which includes Nazareth and, at least in earlier times, the Essenes. (Or were the historical Essenes the remnants of the Earliest Samaritans???)

The Israelites spoke Aramaic, but Aramaean populations existed also in other parts of the Middle East. Now, I indicated in other posts that the Israelites proper were the "children" of Abrahan, whose God was El, whereas the Judaeans were, so to speak, children of Moses, whose God was the legislative Yahweh.

It seems that the 11 of the 12 tribes of Israel separated themselves from the rule of the Davidic dynasty (from a ruler after the death of David's son, Solomon). But soon the Tribe of Benjamin joined the Tribe of Judah, and 3 more tribes were to "flee" to Judah, wherefore there were some 5 Judaean Tribes and 7 Israelitic Tribes (including the Samaritans).

The kingdom of Israel remained independent from circa 930 to 720 B.C., when there were conquered by the Assyrian Empire and some 27,00/40,000 Israelites were deported. [These don't look like the fabulous "ten lost tribes of Israel." Anyway to the Christian Aryanist McNair, they are the 10 out of the 12 Tribes that spread out to become the Nordics, who, in England and America -- with its manifest destiny -- became might heroes and subduers of nations!]

The "Palestinian" Israelites may be a portion of the ancient Hebrews/Aramaeans; that is, the descendants of those who were socio-religiously organized by Abraham (a Chaldean/Akkadian leader ... who had conquered them?) and led into Egypt. The "God of our fathers" which the Jews recite was actually the God of Abraham, who is named in Genesis-1, not the God of Genesis-2, whom Moses and the Judaeans follow.

Be as it may, it is no wonder that the Samaritans and then the Essenes -- or practically all of the Galileans -- considered themselves the true Israelites, in contradistiction to the Judaeans. The Samaritans are not named after the geographical area of Samaria, but the other way around. The Samaritans are the "Shamerin" or Keepers [of the Law]. In fact says the Wikipedist from a Judean standpoint, Samaritanism is a religion based on the Torah...

Speaking of contradictions! It is rather a fact that the Israelites (the Samaritans included) divorced themselves politically from the Judaeans, but it was the Judaeans that compiled and redacted the Bible's oral stories, the Torah included. The Torah states the official doctrines of the Judaic religion... which happens to be largely (or through some false identifications of their own) the same as the unwritten religion of the Israelites.

However, it seems that after the Assyrian conquest of the Israelites, the Palestinian Samaritans has a change in religion, wherefore in Jesus's times, Galileans like Jesus could refer to the "good Samaritan" as an ironical happening, as if to say: It was a good person of another religion that assisted a fellow human being in need, not a worshipper of Yahweh (or one of those Pharisees that follow the letter of the Torah ceremoniously).

The original Samaritans were the "core" of the Israelites. They built their temple, which was destroyed around 200 B.C. So, the Jesus who was to implore El ["Eloi, Eloi,..."], had no temple of his own to attend. (When in Jerusalem, he chided the Temple merchants, but he did not quite go there to worship or do any offering.) He, as the Messiah, scored no success with the Judaeans.

(Until this very moment, I always thought that the one part of his mission, that is, to gather the sheep that had gone astray, referred to the Israelites-in-general who had assimilated Hellenistic or other culture and actually lived outside Palestine. Now it's clear that he meant to re-unite the Judaeans to the Israelites, and that he would be the Messiah/leader of all the Israelites to the right hand of God, after the imminent end of the world. Though a Galilean, his biographers trace his bloodline to David, wherefore he was presented as the legitimate King of the Judaeans, who would replace the Herodian dynasty. So, in the Gospels, Joseph [not Mary], as the head of a household with a number of sons, had to go to Bethlehem in Judaea to report for the census. Joseph had to be of Bethlehem origins, and just a worker in Nazareth, and Jesus the prefigured Messiah, had to be born in Bethlehem, too. Jesus was made into a Judaean while his language and religion were those of the Israelites!)

The Palestinian Samaritans did nor remain Israelitic after the Assysrian incursions. At the times of the raids or invasions, many fled into the wilderness around 720 B.C.... probably in the area of Samaria we know [the West Bank, what was to become the buffer state between Israel and Judaea]. The hardships of the exile Samaritans actually led them to sees assistance from the Assyrians [divine assistance, not welfarism]:teach us to worship your gods. [El had failed them. When in the 20th century, Judaeans realized that Yahweh had failed them, they did not turn to any other religion, since Herzl had, so to speak, already written the history of God's failures in the history of the persecuted Jews: look not for a saving messiah; the People as a whole have to be the god-chosen messiah. And thus the Judaeans became the Zionists; "the Lord is my shepherd" is de facto a memory of improvidence.]

Whether in fact the exile Samaritans adopted the Assyrian religion (after 720 B.C.) is to be determined by historians. One thing is more certain, that, before 720 B.C., and more precisely in the period of 850-750 B.C. a Ugaritic [Canaanite] inscription refers to the Yahwehite religion of the Samaritans. Had the Samaritans turned Judaeans in religion, before the invasion? I don't think so. To explain:

It seems that the Samaritans preserved the intact religion of the Canaanites, whereas the later or general Israelites have an expurgated version of it.

In the Ugaritic Pantheon, there are two supreme gods, the Elohim, who also appear in Genesis-1. However, despite the fact that the biblical Elohim are TWO, one male and one female, after the story of creation, the Bible composers/prophets always think of the Elohim as EL (one, male, god) and the singular name "el" became commonplace.

The Uragitic Elohim have sons (besides counselors/archangels). One of them is Yah or Yahweh. [An aside: The Elohim come from the proto-Arabic culture; Yah comes from an underlaying Levantine Caucasoid culture.] Yahweh is married to Asherah, but, of course, the Yahweh of Genesis-2 has no wife or children. He is the ONLY DEITY that the Israelites must worship, according to the Commandments of Moses. (It is clear from the Bible, that the undivided Israelites knew and even worshipped other gods. There is no such a thing as a monotheistic Moses; the unicity of his God has to do with the unicity of his People: Only one god for the People; only one People for one god.)

So, the original Israelites (the Samaritans to begin with) apparently were strictly Canaanite in religion, that is, recognizing the supremacy of the Elohim, without rejecting the divine Yahweh. Moses elevated and recognized only "Elohim Yahweh" (Yah, [son] of the Gods; or the divine Yah, also called Lord. There is no strict identification of El and Yah.) Accordingly, for the Samaritans, El was first, and Yah (who was also married) was second. And Ya can become the Lord Sabaoth, the Supreme commander of the Israelites in battle.

The Ugaritic inscription at Kuntillet 'Ajrud says,

"I bless you through Yahweh of Samaria
and through his Asherah!"

The 'El Qom inscription says,

"Uriyahu, the king, has written thus.
Blessed be Uriyahu through Yahweh,
and his enemies have been conquered
through Yahweh's Asherah."

It seems, too, that unofficially, the Judaeans worshipped also Asherah until the 3rd century B.C. (Cf, Elephantine papyri, etc.)

http://www.theology.edu.ugarbib.htm

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The Elohim failed the Samaritans. El failed Jesus: "Eloi, Eloi, why hast thou FORSAKEN me?" Yahweh failed the Judaeans in 70. A.D. The Judaic theism has been unofficially over since 1917, when three German Zionists went to England and America on a mission of redemption, and have succeeded.
EliYah is dead; long live EliYah!

burning flames

interesting

Amedeo

Now know also that Abraham came from the Babylonian Chaldeans, from eastern Babylonia, after the building of the Tower of Babel. He took his people into the Egyptian domain [Canaan; the Jordan valey, where he promised this land to his children). That was around 1400 B.C. They acted as hapuri (brigands), as they were reported to the Phaoah. After a retreat and preparation, they started occupying "Palestine," as far south as Jerusalem and beyond.

There was some sea of reeds between the former rampaging territory and the territory they set out to seize.

RED DAVE

More antisemitic raving.

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Toto

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Larsguy47

Very interesting. I was interested in the dating of those Ugarit inscriptions and found this:

LG47

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Is dis sum tl;dr in mah ~E~ ?

Lawd, it is sum tl;dr, but looky at dem pretty colors.