Jack the Bodiless

Arnoldo, it was YOU who started waffling about "Hebrew tenses" on this thread.

YOU.

Not US.

This is YOUR fantasy. Based on a minor point raised by Farrell Till in one of his articles, but NOT INTRODUCED INTO THIS DISCUSSION BY ANYONE HERE.

So you're still hallucinating? Is this always how you cope with failure and defeat?

Jack the Bodiless

Yet more evasion by sugarhitman! :wave:

My points still stand. The prophecy failed!

...So, armoldo is huddling in a corner muttering to the voices in his head, and sugarhitman is still frantically trying to miss every point...

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: If the God of the Bible exists, he could easily have inspired many indisputable prophecies thousands of years ago. As it is, the Bible does not contain one single indisputable prophecy. Why is that? An example of an indisputable prophecy would be a prophecy that predicts when and where a natural disaster will occur, month, day, and year.

If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kindgom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, surely more Jews would have accepted Jesus. Historically, many people have accepted all kinds of outlandish religions based upon much less convincing evidence than that.

Why are you so evasive? If you want to discuss these issues in another thread, just let me know which one. If you do not want to embarrass yourself, just say so and I will not ask to you discuss these issues any more.

If a God exists, if anything is obvious, it is obvious that he has never predicted the future with the intention of convincing people to believe that he can predict the future. You are living in a fantasy world. No sensible motives regarding why God predicts the future = no God of the Bible. No rational man would ever accept a God who supposedly wants people to believe that he can predict the future, but has never made one single indisputable prophecy.

Jack the Bodiless

This is really simple. I understand the Bible: you don't. I also understand the historical context: you don't.

The prophecy specifically mentioned walls and streets, because physical conquest (by Nebby) was supposed to be how Tyre would meet its doom. But what actually happened was a complete failure to achieve the very goals you mention. Tyre suffered temporary economic hardship during the siege itself, but recovered: that's why they agreed to the compromise! Tyre went back to being prosperous and successful. Ezekiel wanted Tyre, and everything it represented, brought down: "swallowed by the sea", in that metaphorical language that your buddy sugarhitman is so incapable of understanding. Nebby never achieved that: and neither did Alexander (not permanently: hence the Antigonus siege afterwards, that keeps slipping your mind).

And "future fulfilment" is just another excuse for "abject failure".

JayW

Johnny Skeptic
Haven't you heard. We're all irrational and delusional. t ha nothing to do wit the fact that science has some kind of explainaion for eerything that has ever happened It gives sceptics the opportubity to say " I told you there's no God." You expect a God that does evrything in a way that science cannot explain. Christians want a God that keeps everythng hid from all but Christians. It may be that God is neither one.

arnoldo

Wrong again. You fail to understand that bible prophecy is not fulfilled at a single point in time. Take a look at Yeshua, he fulfilled many prophecies 2000 years ago but many are left unfullfilled at the moment. In the same way Zeke 28 plainly gives the following prophetic statement which was made when Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed and the Jews were held captive in Babylon.

Was this fulfilled when the Jews returned from Babylon? Obviously not for the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews once again in 70 AD. The fact that the State of Israel exists at this moment is highly significant.

Jack the Bodiless

...Except that he didn't verifiably fulfil ANY prophecies, and even the fabricated ones don't change the fact that he failed to fulfil various messianic prophecies. Hence the invention of the "second coming" notion (itself unprophesied in the OT, and a failure: he never came back).
Yes, Jeremiah was ALSO a false prophet: I see you still haven't lost that habit of shooting yourself in the foot.

It seems that your own subconscious mind is actually your most formidable opponent, arnoldo.

Minimalist

Actually, Shesh, Alexander got some naval assistance from Sidon and Cyprus. Enough to protect his engineers building the mole.

Johnny Skeptic

Not at all. Anyone can be seduced by religion. I was a fundamentalist Christian for over 30 years. Under many different circumstances, you would be defending some worldview today.

It would save a lot of time if you would state the evidence that convinced you to become a Christian and refrain from making childish comments. Personal attacks divert attention aware from the issues, but maybe that is your intention, to attack the character of skeptics rather than discuss issues. It is much easier to attack people's character than it is to discuss issues, but much less productive than discussing issues. If you are not interesting in disussing issues, just say so I and will not reply to your posts anymore.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: If the God of the Bible exists, he could easily have inspired many indisputable prophecies thousands of years ago. As it is, the Bible does not contain one single indisputable prophecy. Why is that? An example of an indisputable prophecy would be a prophecy that predicts when and where a natural disaster will occur, month, day, and year.

If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kindgom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, surely more Jews would have accepted Jesus. Historically, many people have accepted all kinds of outlandish religions based upon much less convincing evidence than that.

Why are you so evasive? If you want to discuss these issues in another thread, just let me know which one. If you do not want to embarrass yourself, just say so and I will not ask to you discuss these issues any more.

If a God exists, if anything is obvious, it is obvious that he has never predicted the future with the intention of convincing people to believe that he can predict the future. You are living in a fantasy world. No sensible motives regarding why God predicts the future = no God of the Bible. No rational man would ever accept a God who supposedly wants people to believe that he can predict the future, but has never made one single indisputable prophecy.