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BigMoosie · 04-06-2005, 05:57 AM

Pride
Avarice/Greed
Envy
Wrath/Anger
Lust
Gluttony
Sloth

Do these appear in the bible?

NearNihil Experience · 04-06-2005, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMoosie

Pride
Avarice/Greed
Envy
Wrath/Anger
Lust
Gluttony
Sloth

Do these appear in the bible?

I am pretty sure envy in in there as , "I am the God whose name is Jealous."
If its a deadly sin, there's some explaining to do for apologists.

I won't even get into God's wrath and anger...it'd just be too easy to call God a sinner. :devil3:

Ojuice5001 · 04-06-2005, 06:08 AM

No, the list of the seven deadly sins doesn't come from the Bible. It was compiled in medieval times.

BigMoosie · 04-06-2005, 06:14 AM

Thats interesting, what else do you know about the origons of them?

Ojuice5001 · 04-06-2005, 06:25 AM

They started out in the monastic community. IIRC, some head monk made a list of seven sins that his monks were in most danger of committing, and that's the list we know today as the Seven Deadly Sins.

Chili · 04-06-2005, 07:36 AM

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Thats interesting, what else do you know about the origons of them?

. . . as long as they work.

When placed opposite the Cardinal virtues they mold Catholics into soft usable clay for the potter. Notice that they both can convict us at anytime without doing anything wrong per se.

This kind of tells me that these monks knew what they were talking about if the rest of us haven't figured out what they are for.

Toto · 04-06-2005, 11:48 AM

The seven deadly sins have their own website, of course.

History of the seven deadly sins

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Greek monastic theologian Evagrius of Pontus first drew up a list of eight offenses and wicked human passions:. They were, in order of increasing seriousness: gluttony, lust, avarice, sadness, anger, acedia, vainglory, and pride. Evagrius saw the escalating severity as representing increasing fixation with the self, with pride as the most egregious of the sins. Acedia (from the Greek "akedia," or "not to care") denoted "spiritual sloth."

In the late 6th century, Pope Gregory the Great reduced the list to seven items, folding vainglory into pride, acedia into sadness, and adding envy. His ranking of the Sins' seriousness was based on the degree from which they offended against love. It was, from most serious to least: pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust. Later theologians, including St. Thomas Aquinas, would contradict the notion that the seriousness of the sins could be ranked in this way. The term "covetousness" has historically been used interchangeably with "avarice" in accounts of the Deadly Sins. In the seventeenth century, the Church replaced the vague sin of "sadness" with sloth.

John A. Broussard · 04-06-2005, 04:05 PM

If I remember my Dante correctly, the sin of pride is by far the prime one. Satan himself has been cast into Hell for presuming to challenge god. And Judas and Brutus are in Satan's maw in the lowest circle because of pride (though I think Dante mingled that with disloyalty).

Significantly, pride leads to downfall over and over again in the Judaeo/Christian past--the Tower of Babel, the command that no other gods be worshipped, etc. Jehovah is a proud god, indeed. He brooks no opposition.

Ceverante · 04-07-2005, 10:38 PM

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the sin of pride is by far the prime one.

Like He who insists that He should always be praised?

Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts. (Psa. 148:2)

John A. Broussard · 04-08-2005, 08:53 AM

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Like He who insists that He should always be praised?

Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts. (Psa. 148:2)

Imagine what going to heaven will entail. We'll spend all of our time praising. Rather frightening.

But, to paraphrase an old Soviet joke, "Comes heaven, you'll LIKE to praise."

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Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	No, the list of the seven deadly sins doesn't come from the Bible. It was compiled in medieval times.

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BigMoosie Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australasia Posts: 106	Thats interesting, what else do you know about the origons of them?

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Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	They started out in the monastic community. IIRC, some head monk made a list of seven sins that his monks were in most danger of committing, and that's the list we know today as the Seven Deadly Sins.

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John A. Broussard Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,629	If I remember my Dante correctly, the sin of pride is by far the prime one. Satan himself has been cast into Hell for presuming to challenge god. And Judas and Brutus are in Satan's maw in the lowest circle because of pride (though I think Dante mingled that with disloyalty). Significantly, pride leads to downfall over and over again in the Judaeo/Christian past--the Tower of Babel, the command that no other gods be worshipped, etc. Jehovah is a proud god, indeed. He brooks no opposition.

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