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Old 01-09-2005, 07:16 PM   #111
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You are assuming that the author would have been able to write fluently in greek.
No, I'm assuming that an author interested in having his story read by "all the known world" would have it written in Greek.

This is the goal you suggested for the author.
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No, I'm assuming that an author interested in having his story read by "all the known world" would have it written in Greek.

This is the goal you suggested for the author.

Why would the author not just write in the language he knew and then have someone translate it into greek for the greek speakers?
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Why would the author not just write in the language he knew and then have someone translate it into greek for the greek speakers?
Given his knowledge of Latin, it seems unreasonable to assume that his education did not also include Greek. What you describe seems to add an unnecessary step.
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But would you care to possibly enlighten us on what Aland has to say?
Aland's Synopsis is not a commentary, so it doesn't say anything.

Aland's Synopsis provides parallel passages from the 4 gospels -- all very carefully laid out word-for-word so that you can see all the differences and similarities at a glance.

In other words, if you're really interested in the Synoptic problem, Aland's Synopsis has done half of the work for you already.

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Given his knowledge of Latin, it seems unreasonable to assume that his education did not also include Greek. What you describe seems to add an unnecessary step.
Whose knowledge?
"unreasonable", "assume" = pure guess work. Better to admit that nobody knows. Except that Josephus did not learn Greek until late (to comply his new masters).
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Whose knowledge?
The author of the Gospel attributed to Mark.

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"unreasonable", "assume" = pure guess work. Better to admit that nobody knows.
It seems obvious that nobody knows. How does that promote discussion?

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Except that Josephus did not learn Greek until late (to comply his new masters).
And why did they want him to learn Greek?
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I don't think the proposition regarding the language Jesus "ministered" in should be proffered scot-free. That proposition is by no means on solid ground. I think we need to reverse the direction of inference.

I've been pretty well convinced by the textual evidence submitted over many threads that the original language of the gospels was in greek. Also supporting that proposition are various errors in geography that would not be made by a long time local resident.

What we have is a fiction pasted onto a region and an existing "heritage". We arrive at this by looking at the evidence instead of explaining why the evidence lacks conformity with the myth.
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I don't think the proposition regarding the language Jesus "ministered" in should be proffered scot-free. That proposition is by no means on solid ground. I think we need to reverse the direction of inference.
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I have also taken a great deal of pains to obtain the learning of the Greeks, and understand the elements of the Greek language, although I have so long accustomed myself to speak our own tongue, that I cannot pronounce Greek with sufficient exactness; for our nation does not encourage those that learn the languages of many nations, and so adorn their discourses with the smoothness of their periods; because they look upon this sort of accomplishment as common.
It seems difficult to believe Jesus would have ministered in greek don't you think?
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Given his knowledge of Latin, it seems unreasonable to assume that his education did not also include Greek. What you describe seems to add an unnecessary step.
Oh come on!
His knowledge of Latin doesn't even have him stringing even two words together.
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Aland's Synopsis is not a commentary, so it doesn't say anything.

Aland's Synopsis provides parallel passages from the 4 gospels -- all very carefully laid out word-for-word so that you can see all the differences and similarities at a glance.

In other words, if you're really interested in the Synoptic problem, Aland's Synopsis has done half of the work for you already.

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Yes, I have his book on the way. But if he doesn't include commentary, than your argument against spin really doesn't have much force, for you cannot defend it. Once again, the passages can only be seen as remote parallels deriving from different sources, not Luke borrowing.
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