goldenroad

I don't understand how it be concluded that Jesus merely faked his death. The accounts of his death seem rather convincing and gruesome. I also don't understand how he could have walked out of his tomb considering the injuries he must have suffered.:huh:

Steve Schlicht

Where is Jesus now?

Steve

JEST2ASK

Hello Goldenroad Welcome to the insane asylam ... *

These accounts are historically reliable because ... :huh:

Why did he have to walk out unaided from the tomb

Who said he faked it ... who else was involved in the deception ???

Those question are just regarding the naturalistic arguements ...

The supernatural possiblities are IMO limitless ... for example

There was / is some thought that the human / mortal Jesus died ... the divine portion which did not enter that physical body until the baptism by John the Baptist ... could not have experienced death ...

Thomas II

So Jesus had "a divine portion" which entered his physical body during his baptism?...
Entered his physical body?
Where was it before?

Where do you get that? :huh:

Doug Shaver

I doubt that anybody in this forum thinks he did.

I've been posting very regularly in this or similar forums for over seven years now, and I cannot recall any skeptic ever claiming to believe that Jesus faked his death.

JEST2ASK

http://www.religion-cults.com/heresies/first.htm
Docetism:
Docetism was an error with several variations concerning the nature of Christ. Generally, it taught that Jesus only appeared to have a body, that he was not really incarnate, (Greek, "dokeo" = "to seem"). This error developed out of the dualistic philosophy which viewed matter as inherently evil, that God could not be associated with matter, and that God, being perfect and infinite, could not suffer. Therefore, God as the word, could not have become flesh per John 1:1,14, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us.. " This denial of a true incarnation meant that Jesus did not truly suffer on the cross and that He did not rise from the dead.


Matthew 3:16 When he had been baptized , Jesus came up immediately from the water, and behold the heavens were opened to Him and HE saw the spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon him. (17) And suddenly a voice came from heaven saying, “This is My Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.

See also Mark 1:9 – 11 / Luke 3:21 – 22

See also the related heresy : Arianism
Christian heresy that declared that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. According to the Alexandrian presbyter Arius (4th century), God alone is immutable and self-existent, and the Son is not God but a creature with a beginning.

The fully Human and Fully Divine doctrine was not the only early theology regarding Jesus

JEST2ASK

Docetism is the view that Jesus was God, but not human. Docetists essentially taught that Jesus only appeared to be human, but He in fact was not. Docetism contradicts many Scriptures, with John 1:14 and 1 John 4:1-3 being the most clear refutations of Docetism. Apollinarianism is the view that Jesus was God, but not fully human. Apollinarians taught that Jesus' human spirit was replaced by a divine spirit - that Jesus had a human body and soul, but not a human spirit. Similarly to Docetism

Koyaanisqatsi

Setting aside the fact that we're talking about a two thousand year old cult mythology, Mark (the one who created the passion myth) doesn't say Jesus died necessarily; just that a "young man" who was inexplicably sitting in the open cave told the women folk that "he is risen."

It's possible (though unlikely) that Jesus was merely in a coma, or simply unconscious and near death and that when he was taken down and wrapped and annointed, that stopped the bleeding and he lay in the tomb long enough to recover and the myth that he had died and was "reborn" or "resurected" grew from there.

It's also possible (and likely) that he died and the body was removed to "protect" it and the myth grew from there.

And, of course it is possible (and most likely) that Jesus was burried and his followers proclaimed him a martyr who could therefore never die and the myth grew from there.

Many possibilities, including Jesus never actually existed and the whole thing was made up.

The only story that is absolutely not true, however, is that he died and resurrected because he's a god. Only cult members believe such nonsense for obvious reasons.

Thomas II

But what is the meaning of

"In the beginning was THE WORD

and the Word WAS WITH GOD,

and the Word was God..." ?


Because I see something else...

"In the beginning was THE WORD..."

What is a WORD"?

A word is a sound with a meaning.

So to me that means VIVRATION, SOUND as the source of all that is.

Then it says "The Word was with God"...When you say a woman is WITH child
you mean that the woman is pregnant,isn't it?

So to me that means "That sound was "pregnant" with God"

to such an extent that one could say that, to all effects and purposes, "it was God"...

EssEff

Don't believe everything you read