outhouse

sure it does


im almost quoting directly from Ehrman, Crossan, Borg, and Johnathon Reed.

outhouse

exactly


how much never made the roman canon we have to sift through




The event in the temple is exactly what a rebel would do, and he died a rebel death fro it.




I still think by the parables we have amnd what made the jesus charactor unique was that he took a more peacefull approach, after seeing what happened to JtB, he knew violence and serious rebellion would be a death sentance

outhouse

I'll follow Johnathon Reed's methodology here.


and its what you see in my post

outhouse

toto your having issues swallowing common knowledge


josephas isnt the only source, really this isnt up for debate its common knowledge.

Zealots
Saducees
Pharisees
Essenes

everyone fit into one of these four groups, less many sub sects whish were the vast minority.


your failing to understand that no jew, less the rich like the Saducees were happy about the roman occupation


a tax war means nothing to you? the 6000 murdered or sent to slavery at roman hands Im sure would have sat well with all the jews in the area

if yopu take those numbers and the population in Galilee jesus and his family would have known people butchered for standing up against the roman occupation, as everyone else in Galilee known for its zealots



thats not what gluke states

http://whatistaxed.com/who_would_jesus_tax.htm

Jesus was officially charged with the crime of "forbidding paying taxes." Luke 23:2. And, this may have also been applicable to temple taxes, since Jesus also taught against the chuch leaders, calling them hypocrites (Matthew 15:7, 23:13, 23:15, 23:23, 23:25, Luke 11:44, 13:15), and also calling those who go to church hypocrites (Matthew 6:5), and said God rewards those who pray at home.


Jesus was teaching his disciples, specifically Simon, that taxes imposed by kings belong upon "foreigners". And, "the subjects [children, sons] are exempt." Matthew 17:25-27


Jesus was teaching tax collectors who "were everywhere in the habit of coming close ... to listen to Him." Luke 15:1


Jesus was friends with tax collectors Matthew 11:19, and sought them out because he thought they were "sick" Luke 5:30-31 and wanted to correct their condition.


Jesus was disrupting tax collections by taking tax collectors away from their jobs. Luke 19:8 , Matthew 9:9


Jesus was publicly tested over the subject of "taxes", by "hypocrites" who possessed and used the Caesar-is-god coin. Matthew 22:15-21


Jesus disrupted the moneychangers' operations in the temple, thus disrupting the banking industry. He even called them thieves. Mark 11:15, John 2:15, Matthew 21:12 .... Notice, less banking = less money = less taxes.


Jesus taught, rich men don't get into heaven (since a camel will never fit through a needle's eye), and taught against the accumulation of money, and against the Caesar-god money system... "With men this is not possible." Matthew 19:23-26, This would also mean less taxes, and would have resulted in a reduction or even the destruction of the moneychangers' (i.e. banker's) tax-money-slave system.


Jesus insulted the chief priests and elders (i.e. local authorities, local government, the crime partners of moneychangers) by telling them "tax collectors and prostitutes will get into God's kingdom ahead of you!" - Matthew 21:31 And, Jesus taught the people that priests weren't necessary; that hypocrites go to church; and that praying should be done at home, instead of church. This would have also insulted the other tax collectors, those who were perfectly happy with taking other people's money (stealing, against 8th commandment).




your dead wrong again

luke 23;2



and yet he comments on them all the time, he does pay special attention to them.


luke 5:30-31

"Why do you eat and drink with the tax collectors and sinners?" And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick."


and I understand the parable here



not really

he states he will pay them back fourfold


"What do you think, Simon? From whom do kings on the earth collect tolls or tributes? From their own subjects, or from foreigners?" When he said, "From foreigners," Jesus said to him, "In that case, the subjects are exempt." -Matthew 17:25-27


according to roman authors writing a minimum of 35 years after his death that never knew him.

and was never ment to be a accurate portrayal of their communication.

that and 12 is a fraud, were really talking about 3 or 4 of his fishermen buddies that traveled with him and like all peasants, they communicated well with one another.



he did live in the right location

he was a wildman, that is antisocial

did not believe in the monatary system, eating bugs and wild honey.

lived in the dirt as poor and poverty stricken as they ever get.

Ya im sure he loved the roman accupation and taxation that oppressed jews to the point of severe poverty where they had to survive on bugs and wild honey wearing a camel hair [burlap sack] ya I understand your point [facepalm]






I think you severly lack the knowledge in cultural anthropology of Galileans in the first century bud.


poverty stricken, bad bad bad poverty to the point of stravation within the oppressed jews, who in Galilee were overworked and taxed even more to help build the new town of Sepphoris.


you should study teh cultural anthropology first, understand what daily life was like, then all the chips start falling into place recontructing history

outhouse

it could also be said that the temple incident with up to 400,000 paying jews was big big money for the Saducees and romans. This was the temples big payday.

starting a riot in the treasury on payday ment huge losses to those in power.

the loss of tax revenue and buisiness in general would have been catastrophic to those in power if a severe riot had started, and its said that is what jesus was trying to do.


the people were already on the brink of explosion and tensions were high, Caiaphas and Pilate knew this. All they wanted was this to go off without violence. next thing you know, jesus is dead on a cross.

stephan huller

The sort of banality you are suggesting is wholly modern.

outhouse

thats your opinion.

reading some reed would do many well in this forum.


he has a nice honest approach, and cuts to the chase, and deals with the cultural anthropology in a easy to understand way

aa5874

Please, enough Inventions. You are just Making stuff up. The stories you write do NOT require any knowledge of the actual written statements of antiquity.

You are NOT doing history---you are writing Myth Fables.

tanya

Or, that he was a fictional character. Do we know of any other heroes, fighting valiantly for the underdog, only to forfeit their own lives, in literature?

Iskander

If one accepts the possibility of the existence a real man, then he is most likely to have been a political activist who claimed to have the support of god.

If one denies the possibility of the existence of a real man, then there is nothing more to say.