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Clivedurdle · 11-29-2008, 05:28 AM

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On 25 August 1835 the New York Sun ran a huge splash scoop that Sir John Herschel had finally proved one of his father's most daring astronomical speculations to be true. Herschel had discovered life on the moon! The highly dramatic story held the front page of the newspaper for four days, doubled its circulation, and set off a frenzy of excitement from the east coast to the west. Each day the New York Sun gave more and more details of Herschel's observations, mighty forests growing in the lunar craters, strange plants, fishes, beaver like animals (all enormous because of the low lunar gravity) and finally small ape like creatures with highly intelligent faces and convenient bat-like wings, flitting through the tenuous lunar atmosphere.

Before the Great Moon Discovery was blown, a mid west preacher was collecting subscriptions to send a crat of Bibles to the poor benighted lunar men, and Edgar Allen Poe in Baltimore was considering the possibilities of a whole new genre of fiction: the science fiction hoax (he would launch it with a vivid - but entirely fictitious - account of the first balloon crossing of the Atlantic the following year).

P 464 Richard Holmes The Age of Wonder.

With various eminent people about to gather to discuss Jesus I do hope they have carried out some preliminary classification work and also some evolutionary trails, as in Dawkins Ancestor's Tale.

The trail starts well back with the first wishes for a saviour, messiah figure - let my people go.

A probably important waymark is the Teacher of Righteousness.

We then have what can realistically be described as a hiatus around Pilate - Mark does seem to have direct connections with the New York Sun of late August 1835.

Over the next centuries various Jesi evolve, culminating in a credal one where sons are co-equal with fathers and this one is posh enough to be worshipped by emperors! Others are declared heretical.

This century we have further variants, including one riding a dinosaur.

I hope to see a full discussion of the variants, their genetic heritages, their probabilities.

We might actually get something very valuable out of the mj hj debate by looking far more broadly over deep time and our psychologies.

Clivedurdle · 11-29-2008, 05:40 AM

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Gdon: For those interested in what will be discussed, I found the agenda here:
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/amhe...on_an_inquiry/

I forgot my favourite Jesus!

http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/venue/...id=4&itemid=68

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Christ of St John of the Cross

The Salvador Dali masterpiece Christ of St John of the Cross first went on show at Kelvingrove on 23 June 1952, and has ever since aroused admiration, criticism and controversy. The striking angle of the crucified Christ on the Cross, the eerie contrast of light and dark, and the magical and effortless surface effects all make an unforgettable impression on the viewer.

The strange title refers to Dali's principal inspiration for the painting - a pen and ink drawing made by the Spanish Carmelite friar who was canonised as St John of The Cross (1542–1591). The drawing intrigued Dali when he saw it preserved in the Convent at Avila, as it was made after the Saint had a vision in which he saw the Crucifixion as from above, looking down.

arnoldo · 11-29-2008, 05:30 PM

Here's my favorite Jesus!

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pearl.htm

Clivedurdle · 12-01-2008, 03:32 PM

10th to 16th century fake.

Sheshbazzar · 12-01-2008, 03:54 PM

Fake of a fake.

mountainman · 12-04-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Fake of a fake.

So when do the boys in the lab say the fakes actually started? Which centuries are possibilities and which centuries are ruled out?

1st century: we have no evidence since Josephus was not yet interpolated.
2nd century: plently of fakery going down with Heggesipus, Papias et al
3rd century: the show continues with Philip the Arab converting to christianity for the Roman Millenium games.
4th century: fakes going off in all directions, where do we start? I suppose the one true cross and the bunch of six inch nails located by Helena is as good a place as any. When did that imperial fake happen?

Take your pick.
Best wishes,

Pete

truth_child · 12-05-2008, 09:53 AM

i too beleive that the shroud of turin is a fake for JESUS would leave no thing that could be worshiped instead of HIMSELF

Clivedurdle · 12-06-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Fake of a fake.

God of God,
Light of light,
Lo, He abhors not the virgin’s womb;

Went to the Darwin exhibition at the Natural History Museum on Thursday, Herschel was negative about Origin of Species although they had met when the Beagle stopped in Cape Town twenty five years earlier and that meeting helped Darwin's thinking!

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On 25 August 1835 the New York Sun ran a huge splash scoop that Sir John Herschel had finally proved one of his father's most daring astronomical speculations to be true. Herschel had discovered life on the moon!

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When HMS Beagle called at Cape Town, Captain Robert FitzRoy and the young naturalist Charles Darwin visited Herschel on 3 June 1836. Later on, Darwin would be influenced by Herschel's writings in developing his theory advanced in The Origin of Species. In the opening lines of that work, Darwin writes that his intent is "to throw some light on the origin of species — that mystery of mysteries, as it has been called by one of our greatest philosophers", referring to Herschel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Herschel

mountainman · 12-08-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Fake of a fake.

God of God,
Light of light,

Nicaean "oath"; anathema of anathema.

Sheshbazzar · 12-08-2008, 08:48 PM

Nullification of a nullification, and a curse upon a curse, undoing our undoing.
Wherefore we are free indeed, at the last, Liberty from both man and god.

Although I must admit I was thinking along a much simpler line;
the faked burial shroud of a faked god.

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11-29-2008, 05:30 PM	#3
arnoldo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Latin America Posts: 4,066	Here's my favorite Jesus! http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pearl.htm

12-01-2008, 03:32 PM	#4
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	10th to 16th century fake.

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Fake of a fake.

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truth_child Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: spartanburg. s.c. Posts: 17	i too beleive that the shroud of turin is a fake for JESUS would leave no thing that could be worshiped instead of HIMSELF

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Nullification of a nullification, and a curse upon a curse, undoing our undoing. Wherefore we are free indeed, at the last, Liberty from both man and god. Although I must admit I was thinking along a much simpler line; the faked burial shroud of a faked god.

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