Toto

Paul doesn't mention the gospels, and the Gospels don't mention Paul. The gospel sequel Acts of the Apostles does not mention that Paul wrote any letters, and describes a Paul at variance with the persona who appeared to write the letters.

It sounds like two independent traditions, with no way of dating one before the other.

show_no_mercy

The driving force behind "Replacement Theology" is explaining why the Jews got their asses kicked by the Romans and their temple destroyed. When the Jews did the same to the Samaritans and their temple 200 years prior, this was "evidence" that YHWH favored Jewish tradition over Samaritan tradition.

With the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70, this was "evidence" that YHWH no longer favored the Jews and favored Christians.

Paul was writing (so it is believed) before the destruction of the Jewish temple, so he is obviously not going to have a "Replacement Theology". His was more inclusionary than the writers of the gospels - all of which were writing in the penumbra of the temple's destruction. This is the explanation for the Parable of the Vineyard, the Withering of the Fig Tree (the Jews were not producing fruit, so they are to be destroyed - by the Romans), the interpolation at 1 Thess 2:14-16, Matt 27:25, and other anti-Jewish (not anti-Israel/kingdom of god) sentiments.

The match that lit the fire of "Replacement Theology" was the destruction of the temple in 70. The Jews got their asses kicked by the Romans two more times after this which only fueled the fire of Replacement Theology. After the third beating by the Romans in 135 CE, not only was the Jewish temple destroyed, an idol (abomination) was placed on the sacred ground of the temple and the Jews banned from the area. This is why Replacement Theology is more pronounced in late 2nd century Christian writings.

Transient

Unless of course someone was farsighted enuf to actually predict the fall of the temple and so the stories were written previous to 70AD. That is still a possibility.

show_no_mercy

Not if there are post-70 CE anachronisms in the gospels

Transient

What are the anachronisms and why would someone writing after 70AD put in anachronisms intentionally or unintentionally?

Godwithus

The Parable in the Vineyard has nothing whatsoever to do with Replacement Theology...throughout scripture the Vineyard is to be given to what is known as Remnant Israel...The Fig tree parable has nothing to do with Replacement Theology.


Certainly the Greeks who were Gentiles would not have written this either:


nor

Acts 1


There are far too many pro-Israel statements in the NT to have been written by the very anti-Israel Greek Church. Therefore common sense would have it that the NT was not written by them...but by the original Apostles in their life times...before AD 70.

Californian

It makes perfect sense that this was written after 70 AD. The gentiles are the Romans.

Any positive references to Jews could be diplomacy. The early church poobahs wanted to appeal to everyone. Jesus was a Jew, so having his own people convert would be a good thing.

Godwithus

What up killa Kali?


Um, you do know that Jesus in the Gospels was predicted to arrive during this trampling of Jerusalem...so if it was written after AD 70, after the fact that Jesus did not return during this event..why include such a blatant obvious false prophecy in the Gospel?


You only two choices. 1. The texts were written before..hence the false prophecy. 2. The writings were written afterwards, thus not about a past event.


Pick your poison.

Transient

Using the sort of logic that excludes a Constantine conspiracy we end up with: the gospels must have been written prior to 70AD otherwise they would not have the "false" prophecy etc in them.

stephan huller

It's enough to say that the gospel was DESIGNED for the post-70 CE environment. The exact year, minute and second will never be determined to anyone's satisfaction. In my opinion Shabbat 116 explains the original context for the introduction of the gospel. Everything else is a Gentile fantasy.