spamandham

...as would Judaism, and all other superstitions.

IamJoseph

This is accepted by all scholars, and it is also stated in the Josephus documents. However, the fact there is no contemporary documents - when they should be for this late period, even no Hebrew writings - is the real proof here.


Agreed, but those are not my reasonings.

IamJoseph

No, this does not impact on the Hebrew, because it is not in contradiction of any disputative writings for 2000 years before the Gospels and Quran. The contradictions apply with the Christian and Islamic descriptions of history, datings, names, laws, morals, ethics and events.

What can be more disastrous for humanity, then when 2/3rds of its populations are in total negation of each other, in their most core docrines? Islam condones the aspect of Imaculate birth - then goes to expressly reject christianity's resurrection - even siting that Jesus lived to a ripe old age and had a family. These contradictions have nothing to do with Judaism or any other religion - it is solely applicable with two religions in contradiction. How will an unbiased judge decide in this case?

This is an explosive situation, and is becoming relevent because of the net age, whereas before it was hidden, supressed or tolerated. Its explosive because if a single relic is discovered which disproves the immaculate factor - 'TWO' of the largest religions go down simultainiously - hypothetical or not, this is a hovering potential here.

judge

Thank you, yes thank you. I believe all firemen conclude this as well.

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Ahhh, yes. Josephus says this in Trivia of the Jews book 27 chapter 123 doesn't he?





Thank goodness for that.

IamJoseph

I don't know what criteria you accept, but I can post numerous scholars applauding Josehus as one of the greatest historical writers, certainly the greatest of his time - way ahead of any European writers, and that everything he said was accurate. Will that make any difference to you?

Toto

Please do post the names of these scholars, especially any who say that "everything he said was accurate."

Do it before you post any more wild assertions with no visible means of support.

Ben C Smith

:notworthy:

Ben.

spamandham

An unbiased judge will rule Judaism, Christianity, and Islam to be 3 competing religions, none of which are expected to be reliable in any reasonable sense.

Neither of these religions (or any religion really) is interested in evidence, nor can they be swayed by it. They will apologize away anything archeology uncovers that contracist their preconceptions, just as you do.

spamandham

Any scholar who says such a thing should have his/her credentials revoked.

steve_bnk

From an exchange I had with Shesbazzar:

quote:
Perhaps I can explain it this way, for hundreds of years BCE, Jewish culture and religion had been assaulted by the inroads that Hellinism (Greek) and other foreign cultures had been making upon traditional Jewish life, these syncretistic influences were pervasive and were at work at all levels of society, beginning with adopted languages, and through these, influencing all religious and social views.

The Maccabeean 'Revolt' was primarily a 'Hebrew culture' social revolt, one that strongly resisted and opposed the Hellenism that was threatening to overwhelm, syncretise and destroy the traditional Hebrew language, distinctive religious views, and way of life.

The first thing recognised was that the usage of the 'Greek' language was the biggest threat to Israel in preserving their distinctive 'HEBREW' culture.
By those who accepted this view, the reaction was to deem the Greek language (and all Greek culture) as being 'profane' and 'unclean', thus it came to be said among these that "it is worse to learn to speak Greek, than to eat swine flesh"
Strong words in a society where the swine's flesh taboo was strictly observed.
As a result a faction of Judaism 'separated' itself from the mainstream and refused to have any further interaction with the 'Greek' language or with its 'culture', and returned adamantly to Hebrew, and Hebrew only, in their worship, daily life, and in their children's education.
Meanwhile, the majority of 'Jews' went ahead with becoming more and more influenced by Hellenism, and other foreign languages and influences.

If you have not, I highly recommend that you read, and think over the contents of the books of Maccabees I & II.

So to summarize, yes, the majority of Jews -had- pretty much 'lost touch' with the Hebrew language by the 1st century, but on the other hand, a minority had from the 4th century BCE, returned heart and soul to as an exclusive use of Hebrew as could possibly be accomplished, becoming a 'separate' "Hebrew" culture that existed within the larger framework of Judaism, one that was, and has -ever since- been continued as a zealously protected and defended element of the Jewish people.
The very visible "Orthodox Jew's" now comprise its most 'visible' and easily identifiable element, but even they have never been 'all', as there have always been minority 'subsets' and 'factions' -separate- even among these.......
........That is why the 'Hebrew' language is a living language yet today, and is the official language of modern Israel.

end quote.

At the yime of JC Jeruslaem was a thriving center of commerce and trade, muti-lingual was praobalyly the rule.