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Old 02-19-2004, 07:56 AM   #1
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Default Annunciation, Conception, Birth & Adoration @ Luxor (Des Geburts Die Hard III)

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Samuel Sharpe wrote in "Egyptian Mythology and Egyptian Christianity" (1863) on page 17, "Every king of Egypt, even while living, was added to the number of the gods, and declared to be the Son of Ra, which was the title set over the second oval of his name. He was then sometimes made into the third person of a Trinity, in which case he took the place of the god Chonso. He denied that he owed his birth to the father from whom he inherited the crown; he claimed to be born, like the bull Apis by a miraculous conception....This opinion of the miraculous birth of the kings is well explained in a series of sculptures on the wall of the temple of Luxor." Sharpe then provides a reproduction of the wall scenes at Luxor and explains that in the first scene the messenger god Thoth tells the maiden queen that she
is to give birth to a son. In the next scene the spirit god Kneph
presents the queen with the gift of life and the queen becomes
visually pregnant. In the final scene the child is born and is paid
homage by three kneeling Priests who present gifts.

Here is a link to an online picture (poor quality) of the
Annunciation scene at Luxor at Acharya S.'s site:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ4.htm

Acharya writes:

"Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph, the "Holy Ghost," impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended by three kings, or magi, bearing gifts."

Here is a link to an online version of Samuel Sharpe's Egyptian
Mythology and Egyptian Christianity:

http://www.touregypt.net/emac3.htm

Note that this is the Tour Egypt site. I'm not aware of any editorial
comments by Tour Egypt regarding this book but the fact that they have posted it to their site implies that they think Sharpe knew what he was talking about, at least for the most part. Go to figure 28 for the online version of Sharpe's 4 sketches.

I checked with Mr. Peter Dorman, Chairman of the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations, Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago and he told me that to date the Birth Room reliefs are unpublished (the University of Chicago has been
authorized to catalogue most of the other Temple rooms at Luxor). He recommended Hellmut Brunner's, Die Geburt des Gottkönigs. Ägyptologische Abhandlungen, vol. 10. Wiesbaden, 1964 with the comment "This is probably the best reference you can use until the Amenhotep III reliefs receive the attention they deserve."

Hellmut Brunner's, Die Geburt des Gottkönigs. Ägyptologische Abhandlungen, vol. 10. Wiesbaden, 1964 is a 224 page book devoted solely to the divine birth reliefs of Amenhotep III on the west wall of the Birth Room. The book contains clearly legible sketches of all fifteen scenes and the accompanying hieroglyphic narratives.

I could see for myself that the four scenes commonly referred to by Skeptics such as Sharpe, Massey and Acharya and claimed to be the Annunciation, Conception, Birth & Adoration @ Luxor were in fact only four middle scenes which are only part of a three rowed set of fifteen scenes. Of particular interest is that the scenes in the bottom row, not mentioned by any of these Skeptics, show "contact" between the queen and Amun (the god) indicating that the queen was already impregnated before the Annunciation by the spirit god Thoth and potentially removing perhaps the best claimed parallel to the Christian infancy narratives, Mary impregnated following Annunication from the Christian holy spirit god.

Brunner's book is in German and as far as I know has never been translated into English. As I am allergic to German I asked the noted Skeptical scholar Dr. Richard Carrier to take a look at the book in general and specifically to address whether according to Brunner's book the queen was already pregnant before the Annunciation by the spirit god Thoth. Dr. Carrier has informed me that per Brunner's book the Inscriptions make clear that the queen was indeed impregnated by Amun by the usual methodology (as much as is possible in the realm of human/divine relations) using language reminiscent of the classical "Young Frankenstein" scene.

It would appear then that assertions in this area by Skeptics such as Sharpe, Massey and Acharya contain inadequate research and proof-texting by:

1) Only referring to four scenes when there are actually fifteen.

2) Claiming or implying that the queen was impregnated after the Annunciation by the holy spirit god Thoth when in fact the unmentioned scenes and related Inscriptions make clear that the queen was already impregnated by the Father god before the Annunciation and that the spirit god's Annunciation was only to announce impending birth and not impregnation (some of you may consider this redundant information but she was a virgin after all, at least as the story goes).

Skeptics therefore, should be hesitant to use the arguments of Sharpe, Massey and Acharya in this area.

When this information reaches Internet Apologists like JP Holding, who have been defending so much with so little for so long that they are now qualified to defend anything with nothing, I am looking forward to seeing what they can do once they have some real Amuno to work with.


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It is normal that when an heir is born he becomes Khonsu, the child of the Theban triad. When the old king, who is Amun, dies and takes on the form of Osiris, the young Khonsu becomes Amun., ie the heir becomes the king.

So, to the birth scenes, Amun impregnating the queen is naturally his earthly embodiment, the pharaoh. Yet we shouldn't lose sight of what Thoth is doing: he is fashioning the two spirits, ba and ka, for the yet to be born heir. His is a godly intervention to give the son divinity of soul to go with his divine body, received from his father, Amun. It is but the soul which is divinely impregnated into the mother to be.


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