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Old 01-15-2005, 01:35 PM   #21
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Jesus came along just in time to spred his message within the Roman Empire. Perfect timing. Hence, the use of Latin in Christianity.
You are aware that the Bible writings were not translated into Latin until the 4th Century CE IIRC (it may be third). I'm not sure that all that writing in Greeek and other (Coptic for example) for 2-3 centuries before it was translated into Latin is an example of "good timing"

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I.E. - Other cultures who’s power centered around a spiritual focus.
Again, culture is a mechanism of God’s will. The point is that the specific discoverys in atomic physics happened in Jesus territory (as opposed to Allah’s, or Buddha’s).
Are you stating that America is "Jesus' territory"? I think there are many who would dispute that.

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Germanic tribes and their pagan rituals. Hapsburg’s are rolling in their Christian graves. But the point is they had the momentum for the bomb.
From what I remember, America was working on the Bomb around the same time as the Nazi's were rumored to be. Somehow I think America also had an incentive and momentum to build it. As for the pagan rituals of Germany, here's more:

An article on the nazis and Christianity: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1202-33.htm

The first link mentioned: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Speeches:http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

More: http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...paul_23_4.html

From the nazi point of view: http://www.third-reich-books.com/x-5...hird-reich.htm
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Old 01-15-2005, 01:39 PM   #22
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This is going off to ~Elsewhere~ now.
Toto doesn’t like to lose so he ships of this topic that clearly relevant in his category of Biblical criticism and history.
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Old 01-15-2005, 01:44 PM   #23
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Retroactive application of verses to support your theory. Give us a future prediction (besides obvious ones like "the sun will rise tomorrow, there'll be another war, people will die") and if it comes true I'll start talking. Thousands of people predicted war, pestilence, and plague. So what?
I second the challenge. Dude, make with the prophesy.

And where the hell where you on Dec 25th? A lot of children in Indonesia could of used a heads up.
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Old 01-15-2005, 02:03 PM   #24
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You are aware that the Bible writings were not translated into Latin until the 4th Century CE IIRC (it may be third). I'm not sure that all that writing in Greeek and other (Coptic for example) for 2-3 centuries before it was translated into Latin is an example of "good timing"
It is perfect timing and my point is that the design included linking the Roman Empire to the message of Jesus as a practical way to sped the message through out Europe and the world.

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Are you stating that America is "Jesus' territory"? I think there are many who would dispute that.
Not enough to keep bush out?


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From what I remember, America was working on the Bomb around the same time as the Nazi's were rumored to be.
It was new technology to both counties. My point is that The University of Leipzig was the place to be to study (say if you wanted to chat the best physicists) in 1930. Most discoveries did not happen at American Universities before the Bomb. Germany’s Physicists and Universities were more likely to create a bomb before major religious intervention.

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As for the pagan rituals of Germany, here's more:

An article on the Nazis and Christianity: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1202-33.htm

The first link mentioned: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Speeches:http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

More: http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...paul_23_4.html

From the nazi point of view: http://www.third-reich-books.com/x-5...hird-reich.htm
Thanks! I’ll take a look.
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I second the challenge. Dude, make with the prophesy.

And where the hell where you on Dec 25th? A lot of children in Indonesia could of used a heads up.
Sorry! No road map to the future! - Just vague metaphoric hints. Matter of fact, the 24th I had gun to my head for $25 while I was sitting in my car in a middle class neighborhood. We never know when death will happen, but it must happen to everyone.
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Toto doesn’t like to lose so he ships of this topic that clearly relevant in his category of Biblical criticism and history.
Again! The poor, poor persecuted Christians... :rolling:

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The evil of the holocaust would have been over-shadowed by the millions who could have died by atomic bomb in London and New York City. The guiding hand was taking away this weapon from Hitler.
As I said: Hitler was one of the great benefactors of humankind. This is the consequence of jadeus twisted thinking.
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Old 01-15-2005, 03:58 PM   #27
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It is perfect timing and my point is that the design included linking the Roman Empire to the message of Jesus as a practical way to sped the message through out Europe and the world.
Fairly historically accurate, so OK.


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Not enough to keep bush out?
Actually, most didn't vote. From the analyses I've seen, the same proportion who voted in the past voted again - there didn't seem to be a major change in that direction. You also have to consider the multitude of reasons (despite the coverage, "moral" issues was not the #1 reason, nor what the religious right believe it to be). A huge amount of people didn't bother to vote at all. I think there is emphasis on this argument (the Christian Nation one) here because it is a topic of interest and concern (esp where these idiots have gained political powers to force their distortions on the rest of us).
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Sorry! No road map to the future! - Just vague metaphoric hints.
Yeah, vague metaphoric hints that are magically transformed into prophesy once a major internationaly event occurs.

I remember reading the same kind of stuff shortly after 9/11.

As you've shown us, backwards prophesy is far too easy. Revalations, Nastradomus, whatever. It's all junk.
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Yeah, vague metaphoric hints that are magically transformed into prophesy once a major internationaly event occurs.

I remember reading the same kind of stuff shortly after 9/11.

As you've shown us, backwards prophesy is far too easy. Revalations, Nastradomus, whatever. It's all junk.
Don't forget (as 9/11 showed) that it is easy to make prophecy after the fact and confuse people about it (as in the fake Nostradamus "phrocecy" that made the rounds). A fair amount of prophecy has been written after the fact.
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Here's my prophesey:

Some nasty shit is going to go down before the end of this generation. (TollHouse 27:12)
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