cajela

If all you're saying is that it doesn't exist as it once was, then that's not much of a claim. *Nothing* exists as it once was. If that's all the prophecy said, we'd just be going "Well, durrr. Mastery of the bleeding obvious, no revelations needed for that."

mata leao

cajela, babylon and tyre no longer exist, ......you dont "EXCAVATE" something that currently exists......the prophecy was against empires not two tiny ersatz tourist traps. Look ahtiests , you're the ones with Anthony Flew and the other atheist intellectuals starting to have cold feet, wake up and smell the secular humanist coffee...you've been hiding behind sematics and word magic on tyre and babylon for a long time....the propheices were acurately fulfilled.... your next crop of revisionists may tell you the truth...

Johnny Skeptic

Why should skeptics and Muslims make the attempt? If the attempt is successful, would the Christian Church become even 1% smaller? You know it wouldn't. Do you dispute this. Would the U.S. adopt a more favorable foreign policy towards Muslims? You know it wouldn't. Do you dispute this?
What do you have against conducting a little simple research? These issues are quite easy to check out. Christians can easily be polled and asked if they would give up Christianity if Babylon were to be rebuilt (you are well aware what the results would be), and one simple telephone call to the U.S. State Department would immediately defeat your arguments. Will you contact the U.S. State Department? Would you like for me to contact the U.S. State Department?

Do you always make challenges without providing evidence for challengees that they will enjoy substantial benefits if their attempts are successful?

From now on, unless you reply to every part of this post, I will repost it every time that you make a post. I will make a Microsoft Word file out of it, so cutting and pasting it will be quick and easy. I have learned from reading your comments at the Theology Web, in private e-mails, and at this forum, that you do not mind at all making detailed replies until you get into trouble, and when that happens, like the issue of the dating of the Tyre prophecy, you become evasive and completely disregard your opponents' comments. Every time that you debate a Bible prophecy you end up embarrassing yourself and withdrawing from the debate. Perhaps you should find a topic other than Bible prophecy? You have quite adequately demonstrated your ineptness on the topic of Bible prophecy. The undecided crowd are not undecided any longer. It is game, set, and match to the skeptics.

John A. Broussard

So you are saying that no city, once destroyed, can ever be rebuilt--BY DEFINITION.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc, have never been rebuilt. Right?

If that absurd notion is what you are advancing, obviously that ends the discussion.

Amaleq13

mata leao,

That Anthony Flew has at least somewhat changed his mind on the existence of a god for entirely personal (ie subjective) reasons is utterly irrelevant to this discussion as well as to any discussion of the rational basis for atheism. Dragging such nonsense into this discussion serves only to create an irrelevant tangent which, in turn, serves only to give the impression that you lack any substantive rebuttal to the OP. Please avoid introducing such irrelevancies in the future or pursuing the one you've already introduced. This warning has been given before and your failure to comply is becoming tiresome.


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John A. Broussard

I for one, disagree. That mata leao's arguments are poor, irrelevant or just plain nonsense shouldn't be used against him. If he repeats the same idiocies over and over again and is called on them each time, maybe he'll learn something from what's happening. If he doesn't, he can simply be ignored.

Sauron

That's funny.

I visited excavations in Dublin the last time I was in Ireland.
Does that mean that Dublin doesn't currently exist?

Didn't think that one through very well, did you?

Which doesn't change the fact taht both prophecies spoke of an utter and absolute destruction. Which didn't happen.

On the contrary.

1. It is the christians who want to insert new and creative meanings to the straightforward reading of Ezekiel's text.

2. We've also seen that as soon as skeptics satisfy the stated conditions for invalidating this prophecy, we see the christians busy revising their standards so as to move the goalposts back a little farther.

3. It is the bible crowd that is always telling us that the word of God is reliable, down to the very letter. All we're doing is putting that claim to the test - each and every letter and word.

Pity you can't even cripple together a good argument to prove that.

Amaleq13

If you have a complaint about moderation, please create a thread in the appropriate forum. Posts that are irrelevant to a thread and offer nothing substantive to the discussion of a topic are to be discouraged or, if they persist despite discouragement, they can become subject to moderator action. They waste bandwidth as well as the time of those interested in a rational discussion.

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Sven

A new low: He brings up Flew! :banghead:

Oops. Sorry, Amaleq13.

lee_merrill

So then all your other efforts here and in other forums, all the skeptic's efforts in any way, are futile, too? And you know this?

Why, may I ask, do you persist?

Regards,
Lee