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Old 02-10-2008, 11:03 AM   #1
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Default Three embarrassing questions for prophecy buffs

If President Bush was able to predict anything that he wanted to predict, and he wanted to convince Americans that he could predict the future, how long would it take him to convince at least 90% of Americans that he could predict the future?

If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kindgom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, would there have been just as many disputes over who Jesus was?

Why does God predict the future?
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Sir, I think your misunderstand christian theology. I already given you an answer that for believers prophecy gives one great faith to endure all kinds of difficult trials and tribulations. For example the Jews when they were scattered by the Romans into all the nations knew that just as Nebby took their ancestors into captivity at the appointed time Cyrus helped them return to their homeland exactly as Jeremiah stated. In fact Daniel even refers to the prophecy of Jeremiah to understand that the Jews were not destined to stay in Babylon. Thus after the Romans destroyed Israel in 70 AD, the Jews did not lose their faith and assimilate into the nations they were scattered into for over 1,878 years. To the unbeliever prophecy is just nonsense. Also please note that according to Christian theology, or mythology if you prefer, that during the Millenium there will be the physical presence of Yeshua and King David ruling Israel and all the nations. At the end of the millenium people will still rebel and seek to destroy Israel once again. Maybe they will be arguing that "might doesn't make right?"
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Sir, I think your misunderstand Christian theology. I already given you an answer that for believers, prophecy gives one great faith to endure all kinds of difficult trials and tribulations.
Obviously not. Old Testament Jews were believers, and most of them have already rejected Jesus. If the God of the Bible exists, that could easily have been prevented. If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kingdom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, are you going to tell us that not one single extra Jew would have accepted Jesus? If so, good luck trying to convince the undecided crowd with a ridiculous claim like that.
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Hey JS,

You speak of "The Bible" alot.
Which bible are you referring to?
The mutilated bible or the full set?

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Hey JS,

You speak of "The Bible" alot. Which bible are you referring to? The mutilated Bible or the full set?

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Whatever the full set originally was, it ain't what we got now.
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The Mutilated Bible:

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When the British and Foreign Bible Society undertook to provide the copy of the bible for presentation to King Edward VII at his coronation in 1902, the Archbishop of Canterbury (Frederick Temple) ruled that a 'mutilated bible' (one lacking the Apocrypha) was unacceptable for the purpose, and as the Society was prevented by its constitution from providing a 'non mutilated' edition, a suitable copy has to be procured at short notice from another source.

A controversy broke out in Germany later in the nineteenth century over suggestions that the apocryphal books, because of their theological 'defects', should no longer be printed as part of the Bible. The case for retaining them was persuasively argued by some of the leading conservatives among Protestant theologians,-" F.F. Bruce, The canon of Scripture, p. 113
If its good enough for King Edward VII to have a non-mutilated bible then I figure it should be good enough for everyone to have a complete set --- in one book --- of all the christian related literature, including all the non canonical acts and gospels, etc.

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Sir, I think your misunderstand Christian theology. I already given you an answer that for believers, prophecy gives one great faith to endure all kinds of difficult trials and tribulations.
Obviously not. Old Testament Jews were believers, and most of them have already rejected Jesus. If the God of the Bible exists, that could easily have been prevented. If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kingdom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, are you going to tell us that not one single extra Jew would have accepted Jesus? If so, good luck trying to convince the undecided crowd with a ridiculous claim like that.
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