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Oolon Colluphid · 10-11-2004, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PetriFB

In my picture of the world is not possible to trust accident,

Agreed.

Does that surprise you?

If it does, it is because you seem unclear about what evolution claims. So let me point out that evolution by natural selection is the absolute opposite of chance.

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which has started that kind of development like evolutionist believes.

Show me an evolutionist who believes this, and I’ll show you someone as ignorant of it as you apparently are.

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It is much sensible and rationale to believe, that somebody has created and planned all this marvellous and awesome globe and solar system.

Somebody with no interest in living things, then, for this solar system is, to the first approximation, utterly inhospitable to life as we know it. And furthermore, he / she / it is certainly not interested in human life: as far as this planet is concerned, it’s a good place to be if you’re a bacterium or a fish. Most of this globe is too wet, too steep, too cold or too dry for human life. Basically, the place is crap. So whatever the creator [I]was[I] interested in, it wasn’t us.

PetriFB · 10-11-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Clarke

The problem is, I am having serious doubts that you have read any scientific research on the theory of evolution. You seem to be, as others have put it, spamming the forum with bad creationist arguments, only to ignore responses and avoid discussion.

I've been pretty polite about this... others are obviously losing their patience. I would strongly recommend that if you want a polite reception on this forum that you take the time to read some university level textbooks or review articles on evolution, or at least to read through the articles on talkorigins.org, in order to better aquaint yourself with evolution, rather than the strawman version that is promoted in creationist literature. Otherwise, people on this forum will feel that you are just mindlessly parroting the words of creationist authors without any real understanding, and will not feel it is worth their time talking to you.

Doc, over and out.

If you wanna discuss about this issue also you have to read many books written by real christians and the Bible otherwise your point has not any value.

If you don't accept this your opinion has no weight, but are light, which wind can blow away.

Plognark · 10-11-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PetriFB

If you wanna discuss about this issue also you have to read many books written by real christians and the Bible otherwise your point has not any value.

If you don't accept this your opinion has no weight, but are light, which wind can blow away.

[delurk]
You might be shocked to learn that a good portion of us have read the bible (and associated apologetics) repeatedly, and still come to the conclusion that it sucks. This, boys and girls, is what we call attacking a strawman.[/delurk]

Atheos · 10-11-2004, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Don't be silly. At Infidels I am the least of the knowledgeable. CX, Toto, spin, Peter Kirby, and several others know a lot more than I, as do a couple of our present and former theist posters. I only know where to look.

You really ought to check out our Bible Crit and History forum.

I guess you're right. Your post just really impressed me. I had not considered that you'd had plenty of opportunity to familiarize yourself with textual criticism through other discussions in II. I will spend some time in Bible Crit and History.

Later...

-Atheos

Oikoman · 10-11-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PetriFB

If you wanna discuss about this issue also you have to read many books written by real christians and the Bible otherwise your point has not any value.

If you don't accept this your opinion has no weight, but are light, which wind can blow away.

We are not talking about the Bible at the moment, we are talking about science and evolution. How can you come here and claim to have evidence against evolution if you know nothing about it?

Plognark · 10-11-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Clarke

We are not talking about the Bible at the moment, we are talking about science and evolution. How can you come here and claim to have evidence against evolution if you know nothing about it?

Historical precedent? I mean, i've been seeing this stuff from different people for the entire time i've been here and that's not even that long :rolling:

Jack the Bodiless · 10-12-2004, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PetriFB

If you wanna discuss about this issue also you have to read many books written by real christians and the Bible otherwise your point has not any value.

If you don't accept this your opinion has no weight, but are light, which wind can blow away.

I think it's fair to say that most of us know more about the Bible than ANY Young-Earth Creationist.

It takes a lot of ignorance of science and of the Bible to imagine that the Bible is "inerrant".

Avatar · 10-12-2004, 02:22 AM

I'm already thoroughly familiar with Creationism, thanks, Petri. I've had it thrown in my face for too many years to not know it up and down...and all it amounts to is pure speculation, fantasy, and deliberate misrepresentation.

The only "proof" of Creationism boils down to "The Bible Says So." Since none of the claims of the Bible are testable, they are not considered proof of anything. If you have real proof of the reality of Creationism, by all means post it.

Put up or shut up.

breathilizer · 10-12-2004, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PetriFB

If you wanna discuss about this issue also you have to read many books written by real christians and the Bible otherwise your point has not any value.

If you want to discuss evolution, you have to read many books written by unbiased scientists, not by theologians.

And most of us have read the Bible. Some have read it many times. I know it may be hard for you to understand, but we don't believe it. And we have reason not to believe it. It's full of inaccuracies, contradictions, second and third-hand accounts, and more. The Bible is not reliable.

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If you don't accept this your opinion has no weight, but are light, which wind can blow away.

Opinion? Who here is discussing opinion? We're atheists. We stick to the facts.

rlogan · 10-12-2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PetriFB

If you don't accept this your opinion has no weight, but are light, which wind can blow away.

petriFB,

Thank you for your efforts. It's been a lonely battle here sometimes with these atheists.

In the words of our savior,

"Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him."

In Jesus' name, Amen.

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10-12-2004, 02:22 AM	#68
Avatar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 2,817	I'm already thoroughly familiar with Creationism, thanks, Petri. I've had it thrown in my face for too many years to not know it up and down...and all it amounts to is pure speculation, fantasy, and deliberate misrepresentation. The only "proof" of Creationism boils down to "The Bible Says So." Since none of the claims of the Bible are testable, they are not considered proof of anything. If you have real proof of the reality of Creationism, by all means post it. Put up or shut up.

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