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PetriFB · 10-06-2004, 09:22 AM

http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/BibleiswordofGod

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Can_we_t...inst_the_Bible

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/theflood.html

http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/Ha...e_ice_age.html

thegdin · 10-06-2004, 09:26 AM

would you like to make a point or are u just advertising these websites? or maybe your trying to indoctirnate the evil hordes? this forum is for discussing the existence or nonexistence of god. post websites to back up your assertions. please dont use links AS your assertions.

Hedshaker · 10-06-2004, 09:28 AM

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http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/theflood.html

Hahahahahaha!!! Check it out.

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When we are talking about the flood, it is often held as the mere legend. Especially such people, who believe to theory of evolution, they don't believe than the flood has ever taken place.

Lol :rolling:

I do hope our new friend returns to debate his links of truth [ :devil3: ] but I won't hold my breath.

Orbit

thegdin · 10-06-2004, 09:30 AM

oh by the way, welcome to the forum.

didnt want to be rude! :wave:

PetriFB · 10-06-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by thegdin

oh by the way, welcome to the forum.

didnt want to be rude! :wave:

Ok.. ty..............

cloggy · 10-06-2004, 09:34 AM

Crappy links, sound advise. Stick around and many many will hold you to it.

Hedshaker · 10-06-2004, 09:50 AM

Hey PetriFB, If you're really searching for truth you've come to the right place. But beware, embracing the truth (the real truth not the pretened truth) may knock your cherished beliefs sideways.

Do you really want to know the truth?

Welcome to IIDB :thumbs:

Orbit

PoodleLovinPessimist · 10-06-2004, 10:15 AM

Bible is word of the God

This website appears to be written by a non-native English speaker. Although the grammatical sense of most of the sentences can be parsed, It's not really comprehensible in any larger term.

I understand that English is a very difficult language to learn. Being monolingual myself despite years of foreign language classes, I appreciate the difficulties in writing persuasively in a second language. Still and all, the quality of the English on these websites places such extraordinary demands on the reader that any goal of persuasion is seriously compromised:

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From this place of the Bible comes into view that not God acts and word can’t able to understand other than by faith, whereby we can understand to acts of God and His word.

:huh:

Can we trust criticism against the Bible?

Again, we have a non-native English speaker with unusual syntax. The actual site appears to be a forward, but gives no clue as to the thrust of the arguments linked to. The first chapter establishes, in elaborate detail that:

Scientific historical researchers assume naturalism when investigating the bible.
The Bible contains supposedly "eyewitness testimony".

These two points have been extensively examined in other places, so I will just summarize:

1. You have to assume naturalism to examine any historical work scientifically. That's what "science" means.

2. The bible itself is not eyewitness testimony. It is, at best a record of eyewitness testimony. We cannot query the original actual "eyewitnesses" to establish either their identity or the veracity of their "recollections".

But more probably the authors are recounting second- or third-hand accounts, if it's not entirely a work of fiction in the style of an "eyewitness" account.

The Flood

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But it is very good to ask, is the flood after all true. If we do the practical observations from the ground and fossils and also from the traditional knowledge of the people, refer them to the quite strongly, that the fact is the flood. They indicate that large group devastation have taken place really close in immediate past.

The Noachian Flood as a scientific theory is transparently weak and has been thoroughly debunked for more than a century. Propriety forbids me from commenting on the character and intelligence of anyone who would continue to promulgate such a theory.

Has there ever been ice age?

An interesting concept. I don't know nearly enough about geophysics to comment on the supposed science here, but if it's at the same level as the site on the flood...

thegdin · 10-06-2004, 10:28 AM

i also attempted to read these sites. i agree that it is obviously written by someone who isnt fluent in English. being monolingual as well i commend the writer for their effort.

i took a few geology classes in college so i probably could make some kind of argument against the info being relayed through those sites but i couldnt really make heads or tails of it.

(edited for spelling errors. maybe i need to work on my english as well. hehe)

PetriFB · 10-06-2004, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PoodleLovinPessimist

Bible is word of the God

This website appears to be written by a non-native English speaker. Although the grammatical sense of most of the sentences can be parsed, It's not really comprehensible in any larger term.

I understand that English is a very difficult language to learn. Being monolingual myself despite years of foreign language classes, I appreciate the difficulties in writing persuasively in a second language. Still and all, the quality of the English on these websites places such extraordinary demands on the reader that any goal of persuasion is seriously compromised:

:huh:

Can we trust criticism against the Bible?

Again, we have a non-native English speaker with unusual syntax. The actual site appears to be a forward, but gives no clue as to the thrust of the arguments linked to. The first chapter establishes, in elaborate detail that:

Scientific historical researchers assume naturalism when investigating the bible.
The Bible contains supposedly "eyewitness testimony".

These two points have been extensively examined in other places, so I will just summarize:

1. You have to assume naturalism to examine any historical work scientifically. That's what "science" means.

2. The bible itself is not eyewitness testimony. It is, at best a record of eyewitness testimony. We cannot query the original actual "eyewitnesses" to establish either their identity or the veracity of their "recollections".

But more probably the authors are recounting second- or third-hand accounts, if it's not entirely a work of fiction in the style of an "eyewitness" account.

The Flood

The Noachian Flood as a scientific theory is transparently weak and has been thoroughly debunked for more than a century. Propriety forbids me from commenting on the character and intelligence of anyone who would continue to promulgate such a theory.

Has there ever been ice age?

An interesting concept. I don't know nearly enough about geophysics to comment on the supposed science here, but if it's at the same level as the site on the flood...

Yes, my mother language is finnish, cause I'm finnish. I have born in Finland, so I'm original finnish, lol.

My apology for errors of grammar and spelling. But I think that there is not so bad errors that you can't figure out about it, what is the message of the text.

But any way, it is nice to be here and thanks for everyone from very kind words and wishes to welcome me to this forum. ........ :wave:

That's me.............

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10-06-2004, 09:26 AM	#2
thegdin Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 1,240	would you like to make a point or are u just advertising these websites? or maybe your trying to indoctirnate the evil hordes? this forum is for discussing the existence or nonexistence of god. post websites to back up your assertions. please dont use links AS your assertions.

10-06-2004, 09:30 AM	#4
thegdin Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 1,240	oh by the way, welcome to the forum. didnt want to be rude! :wave:

10-06-2004, 09:34 AM	#6
cloggy Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Holland Posts: 487	Crappy links, sound advise. Stick around and many many will hold you to it.

10-06-2004, 09:50 AM	#7
Hedshaker Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: https://soundcloud.com/dark-blue-man Posts: 3,526	Hey PetriFB, If you're really searching for truth you've come to the right place. But beware, embracing the truth (the real truth not the pretened truth) may knock your cherished beliefs sideways. Do you really want to know the truth? Welcome to IIDB :thumbs: Orbit

10-06-2004, 10:28 AM	#9
thegdin Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 1,240	i also attempted to read these sites. i agree that it is obviously written by someone who isnt fluent in English. being monolingual as well i commend the writer for their effort. i took a few geology classes in college so i probably could make some kind of argument against the info being relayed through those sites but i couldnt really make heads or tails of it. (edited for spelling errors. maybe i need to work on my english as well. hehe)

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