King Rat

Especially after Peter Gabriel left.

This thread only convinces me of the fallibility of the bible. Magus says the scriptures mean this and Steadele says it means that.

You guys can't even agree on what to believe. Which of you is going to hell for being wrong?

Sad really...

Biff the unclean

And he doesn't even do that. He has no trouble denying that the bible means what it says when it suits him. He cherry picks fully as much as any Liberal Christian, he just tends towards a more misanthropic style of cherry picking

Warcraft3

Yo scombrid:

Well, not all Christians say or think such things.



It is not bogus by any means. AA is not the only recovery or treatment program that has religious elements in it either. There are plenty both large and small. Most have a pretty good recovery record to my knowledge. I have personally known both alcoholics and drug users who have sought treatment at places we could label "religious rehab" and they were helped immensely. So I still think that even "little success" it a nit of an overstatement here.

Personnal testimony is actually an extremely valid argument, contrary to what some people might think. You and I probably use personal testimony just about every day of our life (unless you never deal with people) so it is far from worthless.

To say that personal testimony is an invalid argument is fallacious.



Oh yeah.........i forgot the thread was split off...............




LOL what do you mean "above"? I dont have some kind of high horse superiority complex or anything here.

I love sarcasm and witty insults.....so there is nothing wrong with tit-for-tat when its all done in good fun. And where did I say I expected you guys to never answer a sarcastic post sarcastically?
Heh. If I throw a sarcastic or insulting comment your way I expect to receive a similar response, since I do it all in good fun and find it humorous. So if you ever feel like making fun of me in good fun go right ahead.

But there is a difference between those who enjoy witty bantor and those with real life chips on the ol shoulder. Some people here (and elsewhere) just have some personal issues they need to work out so they can debate without the crummy attitude.




Russ

Warcraft3

I highly doubt this thread holds that much sway over your personal beliefs. With that said.......

We dont have to agree on every single point.....and this is certainly not a salvation issue, although I do think it is important.

There are things within scripture that make a YEC viewpoint troublesome. When I asked for answers I got some rather weak answers and alot of handwaving, so I came to the conclusion eventually that YEC is too problematic to be correct.



Russ

Magus55

Proven to have fallacies? No fallacies have been proven. You just have an opinion that certain verses are errors, how is that proof? The Bible has NEVER been disproven. Scientists, theologists, archaeologists, scholars, etc. have been studying it for thousands of years, and still, no errors or contradictions found.

Magus55

I have no clue where you are going after death. That isn't my job, thats God's.

Magus55

Romans says, through one man, sin entered the world ( Adam), and through one man is the world redeemed ( Jesus). Jesus is the second Adam, if the Biblical Adam didn't exist, then there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified. The book of Peter also states that God destroyed the entire world except Noah and his family. I see no reason to put that in the NT, if the world wasn't destroyed by the flood.

Biff the unclean

This was brought up earlier but for some reason ignored.

If God is the author of nature then God is the direct author with no divinely inspired human middlemen.
The bible, what ever it's ultimate origins, is the product of a human institution. We know that because bibles are artifacts and do not occur in nature. People wrote them.
Therefore a direct study of nature (science) would be the more appropriate route to knowing god's plan.
If science contradicted what is said in the bible and you intended to take the word of god over the word of man then wouldn't the only course of action be to believe what science has found?

Hedwig

Which scientists, theologists, archaeologists and scholars would those be?

Heck, my friend is an ex-priest and even he admits to there being contradictions and fallacies in the Bible.

Biff the unclean

Why do you feel the need to lie?
Every last time you have spewed this same mantra you have been corrected. And yet, knowing you are wrong, you still repeat it. Why? Why sacrifice truth for this institution of yours? You gain nothing, you fool no one.