stephan huller

Joshua is never equal to Moses. 110 versus 120

Robert Wahler

No, it isn't "Jesus". That's Paul's Lie, Earl. It is condemned in Matthew in the original Hebrew at 24:14-15. Matthew has Jesus declare: "And this gospel, that is, evungili, will be preached in all the earth for a witness concerning me to all the nations and then the end will come. This is the AntiChrist and this is the abomination which desolates which was spoken of by Daniel [as] standing in the holy place. Let the one who reads [Daniel] understand."

This is speaking about a gospel contained in chapter 24 verses preceding this statement about it being a witness "CONCERNING me". The only verse there to have anything like a gospel is 24:5, "because many will come in my name saying: I am the Messiah, and they will lead you astray." The Greek translator mistook what this was, or perhaps intentionally misrepresenting it, entered a colon. The warning about those claiming THEY were the Messiah is in 24:24. This is something else here. Take out the erroneous colon, since Hebrew punctuation is discretionary, and you have what Jesus intended to say: "because many will come in my name saying I AM the Messiah, and they will lead you astray." That's Paul. HIS is the false gospel that becomes the "AntiChrist" (a teaching, not a person) when preached to all the nations (the Roman church). Paul came "in the name of the Lord, or Jesus" saying that HE, Jesus (not Paul, or some other coming to claim Lordship himself) was the 'Messiah' -- after he was dead. That's essentially the Roman Catholic Church teaching. And that's Romans 10:9, cited here previously, "because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord [present tense] and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." This is NOT what Jesus said. Jesus said: "For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day [his death]." -John 6:40. Anyone can say "Jesus is Lord". Only those alive to see their Master while he is alive can "SEE" him. That's what Jesus intended to convey, as also in John 9:4-5. He just said, four verses earlier in 6:36, that they DID see him, and did NOT believe. So he meant "see with your eyes". This is how Paul cleverly changes the salvation doctrine of Jesus to his own when he commandeers it to his own purpose. The gospels complete the ruse with their own interpretation of Paul's false doctrine, such as dropping the "concerning me" in the Greek version of Matthew, making the gospel mentioned there appear to be that of Jesus when it is in fact PAUL'S. The way to verify this is to read it as intended -- in the Hebrew version, where it is not an interjected positive gospel in the middle of a lecture WARNING the disciples of what to look out for in the final days.

The "name" which saves, as Peter tells them in Acts 4:10, IS THE WORD (see 4:4, regarding the Jamesian five thousand at Qumran) the Name 'of' Jesus, not "the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth" which is Pauline invention via Luke. Whether Jesus was a real person or not, or someone else perhaps, like John the Baptist, as I think, is not really important. The quotes attributed to him, whoever he was, show that his ministry was LIMITED to the time he was on earth. Can't see him, can't be saved.

The Name which saves is the Holy Spirit, the Word, the Son of man, the Messiah, NOT "JESUS". It incarnates all the time. Like the Damascus Document says in its final line,
they will see His salvation [Yeshua, the Righteous Teacher], because they took refuge in His HOLY NAME."

Robert Wahler

That's the point right there. The Name is the WORD. It never was "Jesus", "Lord", Yahweh", "Christ", "Robert" or what-have-you. Read Sant Mat. Cut through all the chatter: www.RSSB.org -- many titles there by real Masters.