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Old 04-10-2007, 04:07 AM   #11
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The Greeks back then thought the greatest love possible was between an older man and his adolescent lover. That was the culture. Socrates is historically known to have had that relationship with "Phaedo." Who is to say Aristotle wasn't someone's lover in his youth too? That is what the Greeks did.
It's quite possible that Aristotle had a male lover in his youth. But that lover wasn't Socrates. As we have pointed out many times, Socrates was long dead when Aristotle was born.

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It's quite possible that Aristotle had a male lover in his youth. But that lover wasn't Socrates. As we have pointed out many times, Socrates was long dead when Aristotle was born.
Now hang on there, Red Dave, I just had a thought. Necrophilia might be the oil that greases this wheel. I mean maybe Aristotle used to dig Socrates up every now and then. You could say that the young Aristotle dug older men.


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Old 04-10-2007, 07:12 AM   #13
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So why did you quote NASA saying they disproved Neugebauer, when they didn't?
There's a few things going on here. NASA didn't include Neugebauer's exception to the predictable eclipse, which was possible from old records if there was a predictable pattern, which there is. Neugebauer didn't know of it specifically, however, and NASA doesn't address that as a possibility. But not knowing of a specific pattern, Neugebauer joins NASA as saying during the time of Thales or before there was no way a solar eclipse could be predicted. But as you can see, that is no longer accurate or up to date. I suppose I shoud forward my information to NASA, but that's such a huge place, I'd better sending it to a professor who is affiliated.

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Now hang on there, Red Dave, I just had a thought. Necrophilia might be the oil that greases this wheel. I mean maybe Aristotle used to dig Socrates up every now and then. You could say that the young Aristotle dug older men.


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Sorry, but the VAT4956 alone not only confirms the false date of 568BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, it forces the redating to 511BCE. There's nothing you can do about that. It has to be redated to that date as a Babylonian reference whether it happens to agree with the Bible's dating or not. So now you know. But using the VAT4956, which reduces the NB Period by 57 years, the 709BCE eclipse used to date the Assyrian Period would correct 54 out of the 57 years, which is neglible. And having done that, Shishak's invasion falls from 925 BCE to 871BCE, which is precisely where the best RC14 dating dates that event.
Shouted the boy with his fingers plugged deeply into his ears, so he wouldn't have to hear the voices of them who were telling him otherwise.
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First of all, please forgive me for not being more precise. The two-thirds reference (Zech. 13:8) is in relation to the "great tribulation." Thus it would be a reference to that invent and those involved in that event. Since the great tribulation is equivalent to the Holocaust, the two-thirds number is in relation to the Holocaust only and most specifically.
Your above paragraph makes no sense.
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As I've posted before, that's close to the general numbers published by Jews themselves
Now that has been your problem throughout all of these threads, in accepting and accounting as true every outlandishly exaggerated general number written down and ballyhooed about by the Jews, as being truthful to fact.

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....about how many they estimate were present in the occupied lands and how many died, something that is still quite unbelievable!
Yes, right about that! It IS, "unbelievable!", and if you would take off the blinders that only allow you to focus on such "statistics" as will support your agenda, and take an unbiased look at all of the collective statistics and information that is available, you would know just how unbelievable that claim that you are supporting is.
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Those general, rounded off numbers are usually 9 million before and "six million" who died in the Holocaust
And you got these 'urban legend' statistics from whom?

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and that's the "two-thirds" fulfillment.
Only 9 million before, huh? HOW did you conclude this was an accurate estimate?
What pre-war population statistics did you employ to calculate and arrive at that figure? Or did you just conveniently employ a "source" that would agree with your theory?
Are you aware that there were only an estimated 660 thousand Jews living in all of Germany in 1939?
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So I should have been more specific about this being those involved with the Holocaust/great tribulation.
It really wouldn't matter how "specific" you were, as your claims ARE
"unbelievable!", insupportable, and unworthy of being believed.
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Of note though, in the documentary "Shoah" and also in the fairly recent movie "True Believer" about a Jewish Nazi, when some Jews explain the Holocaust and how they could still believe in God, they say they understand it was punishment for what their ancestors did (not related to Christ, but for things before).

You really ought to not trust television "shows" as accurate sources of information, especially not these days.
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Lamentations was actually written in advance to mourn over what would happen during the Holocaust:

5:7 Our forefathers are the ones that have sinned. They are no more. As for us, it is their errors that we have had to bear."
No, that is how you choose to apply it, The original writers were only lamenting their being carried away into captivity in Babylon.
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This great tribulation was to happen "in one hour" which is 7 years in the Bible. But the chronology is specific. It occurs after 62 weeks in a 70-week period, which is 490 years. The first 70 weeks ends in 36CE, the end of the week in which Christ arrives (29-36). So you only need to just count down 70-week periods to our day, which is 4 x 490 years = 1960. 1960 plus 36 = 1996. That means 490 years ends the 70 weeks closest to our time and that begins in 1506BCE. That's around the time that Martin Luther became a monk, and relates to the rebuilding of the spiritual temple that had been desolated by paganism in the Catholic Church (i.e. Fertility goddess Ishtar worship during "Easter"). At any rate the hour of tribulation would occur after 62 weeks, followed by a jubilee of 49 years wherein the Jews would be restored to their homeland and blessed by YHWH. 62 weeks is 434 years. 1506+434=1940. So from 1940-1947 is when this "great tribulation" must occur and those Jews involved would lose 2/3rds of their entire population. Not just soldiers fighting in wars, not just political activists or "intellectuals" but the entire population. Men, women, children, old, feeble and robust, bakers and doctors. Rank and money would mean nothing. It was all prophesied and it all came true. In 7 years, in 1947 the Jews regained their homeland. And were blessed to become a major nation in the world now, just as the Bible said.

It's true. It's correct.
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No, not true, and not correct, just another upchuck of that regurgitated JW old and moldy non-kosher baloney.
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