FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-05-2006, 07:51 AM   #11
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Bernardino, Calif.
Posts: 5,435
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Smith View Post
There are plenty of reasons to consider the story in terms other than Christian dogma.
In the seven years I've been hanging out in atheist forums, I've never seen it discussed in any other terms. But there can be a first time, of course.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Smith View Post
Moreover, there is no such thing as a single, monolithic Christian dogma regarding free will.
I've never known a Christian to espouse anything but libertarian free will, but my sample could be skewed. I'm open to learning about the others if you'd care to expound them.
Doug Shaver is offline  
Old 11-05-2006, 11:55 AM   #12
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 433
Default

Quote:
In the seven years I've been hanging out in atheist forums, I've never seen it discussed in any other terms. But there can be a first time, of course.
That probably says more about who posts to atheist forums, or about which forums you read, than it does about the nature of the problem. When was the last time you read a Jewish rabbi castigating atheists for not studying their midrash?

Quote:
I've never known a Christian to espouse anything but libertarian free will, but my sample could be skewed. I'm open to learning about the others if you'd care to expound them.
No, not particularly. DYOH.

I will give you a hint, though: Calvinism.

Also, "libertarian free will" isn't one thing, either, even among Christians who accept that label for their own beliefs. If you are as "open to learning about others" as you claim, you will quickly find in your research that it is far more ramified and varied than that. For example, there's the Thomist vs. Molinist solutions to the problem of divine foreknowledge, and that's just within Roman Catholic doctrine.
Von Smith is offline  
Old 11-05-2006, 04:33 PM   #13
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,396
Default

Apple? What apple?
Apikorus is offline  
Old 11-05-2006, 05:52 PM   #14
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Atlantis
Posts: 2,449
Default

Eat the fruit of the Tree of Life first, then laugh uproariously when the snake talks, (Yeah, talking snake, right!). Then eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, and instead of the aprons, skin Yahooey and make some fine godskin suits.

Eldarion Lathria
Eldarion Lathria is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:24 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.