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Old 11-18-2005, 11:22 AM   #51
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If so, just ratchet down to the lowest common denominator and use the Protestant Bible.
I don't often agree with you, but this time I'm on your side. The Protestant bible is definitely the lowest common denominator.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:31 AM   #52
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Nonetheless, I think the disputed sections are small in number and do not affect our understanding of the major themes and ideas presented.
How can you possible toss of totally false generalizations such as this?

On the basis of this single disputed verse:

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hundreds of millions of christians accept the infallibility of the pope on the basis of this verse, while hundreds of millions of others interpret that verse entirely differently and totally reject the authority of the Catholic Church as a result.

Please, rhutchin, this is about the bible--something you are supposed to know something about--so try to not make totally false generalizations about it.
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Old 11-20-2005, 12:31 PM   #53
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How can you possible toss of totally false generalizations such as this?

On the basis of this single disputed verse:

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hundreds of millions of christians accept the infallibility of the pope on the basis of this verse, while hundreds of millions of others interpret that verse entirely differently and totally reject the authority of the Catholic Church as a result.

Please, rhutchin, this is about the bible--something you are supposed to know something about--so try to not make totally false generalizations about it.
The dispute that you note relates to one's "interpretation" of the verse and not with that which the verse says in the original text or to the translation of that verse from the original language into English. My comment related to a textual criticism issue of how verses may have read in the original documents. There are many verses, including the one you cite, that people interpet differently and that then lead to people believing all sorts of goofy things.
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I don't often agree with you, but this time I'm on your side. The Protestant bible is definitely the lowest common denominator.
That is because it presents major themes in a form that even a child can understand. Why, even you seem to grasp that which the Bible claims.
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Here we go again.

JOSHUA10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

If you were to read that in other divine scriptures such as the Rig Veda, wouldn't you immediately say that the claim that "the sun stood still" at the command of a human being was gibberish? Or a fairy tale? Or meaningless?

Be honest, now. You are reading it in the Rig Veda. Do you believe that this verse in the Rig Veda is a literally true statement?

Don't put a spin on it. Just answer the questions truthfully.

Did Joshua make the sun stand still or not?

Would it be more or less believable if some creature in the Rig Veda were reported to have made the sun stand still?
The verse is not "gibberish" since people understand what it says. It is meaningless only if it does not fit the context in which it appears (which invloves the whole Bible).

This verse is not any more incredible than the resurection of a dead man as recorded in the gosples.

As to the Rig Verda, it would be interesting to investigate other religions or historical accounts to see if they reference to a similar event.
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The verse is not "gibberish" since people understand what it says. It is meaningless only if it does not fit the context in which it appears (which invloves the whole Bible).

This verse is not any more incredible than the resurection of a dead man as recorded in the gosples.
"Did Joshua make the sun stand still or not?"

I'm giving you another opportunity to answer this very simple question.

Thank you.
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There are many verses, including the one you cite, that people interpet differently and that then lead to people believing all sorts of goofy things.
That's for sure.
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The verse is not "gibberish" since people understand what it says.
Then that clearly makes

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

gibberish, since you insist some millions of people who have read it don't understand what it says.
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The verse is not "gibberish" since people understand what it says. It is meaningless only if it does not fit the context in which it appears (which invloves the whole Bible).

This verse is not any more incredible than the resurection of a dead man as recorded in the gosples.

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"Did Joshua make the sun stand still or not?"

I'm giving you another opportunity to answer this very simple question.

Thank you.
Obviously, Joshua did not, so your question is, “Did God make the sun stand still?�

Yes, I understand that God made the sun stand still.
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The verse is not "gibberish" since people understand what it says.

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Then that clearly makes

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

gibberish, since you insist some millions of people who have read it don't understand what it says.
I guess so -- in the same way that legal contracts, laws, and a host of other things (including many comments on this list) are gibberish.
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