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aa5874 · 04-23-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thief of fire

Your mention of the gospels is a red herring. It's irrelevant.

It is perfectly reasonable to interpret "born of a woman born under law" as referring to a human being.

But, the passage actually states Jesus was God's Son so you are the one with your BIG RED HERRING. The Pauline Jesus was God INCARNATE.

Galatians 4:4 KJV

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But when the fulness of the time was come , God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law..

If Jesus was God's Son how would write "God Sent forth his Son" in Greek???

Galatians 2:20 KJV

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I am crucified with Christ........the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me....

1 Corinthians 1:9 KJV

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God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:3 KJV

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For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh...

The NT Jesus is Non-historical and that is PRECISELY why there is a SEARCH for an historical Jesus.

None will be found. We are now approaching 300 years since the QUEST began and NOW you use the Bible for history.

It was the Bible that caused the QUEST in the first place.

Jesus of the Bible is a MYTH. There is NO puzzle only RED Herrings.

Soon perhaps people here will be arguing that a MERMAID is human if we ignore the FISHY part.

Grog · 04-23-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

Soon perhaps people here will be arguing that a MERMAID is human if we ignore the FISHY part.

See? He does have a sense of humor.

aa5874 · 04-23-2012, 09:37 PM

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Soon perhaps people here will be arguing that a MERMAID is human if we ignore the FISHY part.

See? He does have a sense of humor.

I have another one for you.

gMark's Jesus was some body that walked on water.

But No BODY can do that.

Jesus had the BODY to do it.

outhouse · 04-23-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by Grog

See? He does have a sense of humor.

I have another one for you.

gMark's Jesus was some body that walked on water.

But No BODY can do that.

Jesus had the BODY to do it.

Davey Crocket killed a bear with his hands alone LOL

but we know he lived.

failure again :constern02:

mountainman · 04-24-2012, 04:26 AM

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This whole conversation shows once again how Doherty's mythicist position is about reading the texts to see what they say.... while the mainstream analysis is about reading the texts to see how they relate to the story of Jesus as told in the Gospels.

Vorkosigan

The mainstream analysis, though, tends to just accept that when Paul said jebus was "born of a woman" and was "born under law" , that this refers to a human being on earth. A perfectly reasonable position to take.

The mainstream analysis starts with the hypothesis that there was an historical jesus and ends with the same hypothetical conclusion. However the hypothesis that there was in fact an historical jesus has yet to be peer reviewed. The hypothesis that there was an historical jesus was automatically spawned from the ashes, like a phoenix, of the dead Jesus of the Faith.

But there is no guarantee that this HJ hypothesis is true.

Therefore the mythicists are investigating the antithetical hypothesis that Jesus was not an historical figure. A perfectly reasonable position to take.

mountainman · 04-24-2012, 04:29 AM

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so here:

"My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you"

We understand this to be that Paul was actually feeling labor pains? Perhaps pychosomatically? I always read this as figurative, but he does not say so...

When did Paul feel those labour pains??? Which century???

In which century did Paul converse with Seneca? Who was the midwife of this abortion?

In which century did the entire world groan to find that it was, not Christian, but Arian?

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