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Magus55 · 11-20-2003, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by spurly
Other passages say that what we ask for must be in Jesus' name - meaning in line with his character.

If, when Jesus said, "in my name", he meant "in line with my character", why didn't he say "in line with my character", instead of resorting to "in my name", which sounds like we should pray, "In Jesus's name I ask"?

Maybe He did? We would have to read the original greek/Aramaic to find out.

Calzaer · 11-20-2003, 03:08 PM

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Maybe He did? We would have to read the original greek/Aramaic to find out.

Let us know what you discover.

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot.. you probably expect us to do your job for you and support your 100% speculative assertions. Damn Catholic.

The Naked Mage · 11-20-2003, 04:13 PM

I think Magus and the other apologists better ask God (using Jesus or perhaps the character of Jesus as a courier service, of course) to pull their heinies out of the fire.

<waits expectantly...>

mark9950 · 11-20-2003, 06:35 PM

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Maybe He did? We would have to read the original greek/Aramaic to find out.

If he did where is it?I would think this omniwhatever God character would inspire EVERY WORD AND WRITE IT DOWN so we could see it in black and white.

But with the imcompetence of the omniwhatever God and his liar son I am not surprised that his clarity in detail and specifics is not in there.

Magus55 · 11-20-2003, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by mark9950
If he did where is it?I would think this omniwhatever God character would inspire EVERY WORD AND WRITE IT DOWN so we could see it in black and white.

But with the imcompetence of the omniwhatever God and his liar son I am not surprised that his clarity in detail and specifics is not in there.

God didn't inspire the translations, only the original.

Queen of Swords · 11-20-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
God didn't inspire the translations, only the original.

Firstly, why didn't he inspire them all? Did he not realize that the translations would be read by people too? See, because he didn't inspire the translation, Jesus's "in my name" might have made the massive mistranslation to "in my character". He should really have anticipated this revoltin' development, what with being omniscient and all.

Secondly, how do you know this? Is it in the bible, or did the Holy Spirit tell you?

Starboy · 11-20-2003, 07:51 PM

I am sure that there are many Christians that have prayed for riches that feel poor. But that is not all they pray for, I would guess that they pray for just about everything from their enemies dropping dead to their sick aunt rising from her death bed healthy and fully cured. Heck, some might even pray for world peace. In any case it doesn't appear that their prayers are any more effective then not praying at all. It is obvious that what gets answered is hard work directed by knowledge of how the universe works. If you have any knowledge or abilities at all you'll skip the praying and start trying to effect change in the material world. Appeal to the supernatural is the act of a childish, ignorant, powerless and frightened person. To all you Christians..... BOOOO!

Starboy

lpetrich · 11-20-2003, 08:50 PM

Also, what kind of deity is it who lets his/her/its message be mistranslated, misunderstood, and misrepresented without any response?

And the free-will defense is not enough, because the result of such mis-actions is for many people to believe false things about that entity.

mark9950 · 11-20-2003, 09:28 PM

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God didn't inspire the translations, only the original

Thanks magus your statement shows that you may understand that right wing,left wing moderate translators can make an error or add their own agenda right?I hope that you realize that humans make mistakes.

I guess that I could conclude with your statement that you are saying that the bible has the possibility of human translation error?If the possibility is present than the english language bible is not the inspired word of God.Right?

mark9950 · 11-20-2003, 09:29 PM

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Also, what kind of deity is it who lets his/her/its message be mistranslated, misunderstood, and misrepresented without any response?

The omnimax god.

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11-20-2003, 04:13 PM	#113
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	I think Magus and the other apologists better ask God (using Jesus or perhaps the character of Jesus as a courier service, of course) to pull their heinies out of the fire. <waits expectantly...>

11-20-2003, 07:32 PM	#116
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 God didn't inspire the translations, only the original. Firstly, why didn't he inspire them all? Did he not realize that the translations would be read by people too? See, because he didn't inspire the translation, Jesus's "in my name" might have made the massive mistranslation to "in my character". He should really have anticipated this revoltin' development, what with being omniscient and all. Secondly, how do you know this? Is it in the bible, or did the Holy Spirit tell you?

11-20-2003, 07:51 PM	#117
Starboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Reality Adventurer Posts: 5,276	I am sure that there are many Christians that have prayed for riches that feel poor. But that is not all they pray for, I would guess that they pray for just about everything from their enemies dropping dead to their sick aunt rising from her death bed healthy and fully cured. Heck, some might even pray for world peace. In any case it doesn't appear that their prayers are any more effective then not praying at all. It is obvious that what gets answered is hard work directed by knowledge of how the universe works. If you have any knowledge or abilities at all you'll skip the praying and start trying to effect change in the material world. Appeal to the supernatural is the act of a childish, ignorant, powerless and frightened person. To all you Christians..... BOOOO! Starboy

11-20-2003, 08:50 PM	#118
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Also, what kind of deity is it who lets his/her/its message be mistranslated, misunderstood, and misrepresented without any response? And the free-will defense is not enough, because the result of such mis-actions is for many people to believe false things about that entity.

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