offa

Jesus was not a Jew because his mother was not a Jew. Jesus' mother was a Samaritan from near to Bethlehem and all Samaritan women are perpetual Virgins. They will never know a man because their spouses are priests, Spirits, and prophets.

Jesus good friend was Lazarus (Simon Magus) and this Simon was involved in zealous activity. When Jesus brought Lazarus from the dead he he had him released from a cave where he was imprisoned and "Jesus Wept" because he was now guilty of an insurrection vs. Rome.

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LeeBuhrul

The tooth fairy visited Caesar and the Easter Bunny hid a thousand rotten eggs in the Coliseum causing the lions to pass out from the stench resulting in the first time ever the Xians beat the Lions.... 37-6 I think?

Chili

Exactly. Mary was "the barren one" who was send down from "Jerusalem on high" where she was held captive by the integrity of Joseph the "upright Jew." The incarnate Judaism in the mind of Joseph was called Nazareth that only exists in the imagination of Joseph. It is against this imaginary city of God that Mary gives birth to the "freeborn son" that must redeem Joseph from his religious conviction and oppression. I say "against" because religion itself must become the negative stand in the final rout of discovery if ever "the pearl of great worth" is to be found by the believer. That is, if religion is a means to the end it must become a liability in the end and be the ark to be abandoned.

This says nothing bad about Judaism but only good:

"Rejoice you barren one who bares no children;
break into song, you stranger to the pains of childbirth!
For many are the children of the wife deserted--
far more than of her who has a husband." Gal.4:27

This tells me that it was a common occurrence and Jesus was not the first one by far = lots of [ex-]Jews went to heaven in those days.

The "wife deserted" is the "woman" that was left behind when we (sic) were banned from Eden and it is from Eden that She is send to Galilee (our Purgatory) to give birth to the freeborn son that we also left behind. These two are "man and woman" (stationed at the gate to paradise) as opposed to "Adam and Eve" that were created in Gen. 3 and became the effective forces in our ego consciousness.

Hitler was wrong, wrong, wrong to read the bible with curious eyes and more wrong to use that wrong interpretation to force his point of view on other people. Such wrongs come in all shapes and colors and will come again.

Chili

You fail to recognize that it was Jewish law and Jewish law only that convicted Jesus: "We have our own law" the Jews responded, "and according to that Law he must die because he made himself God's son" (Jn.19:7). This response was made after Pilate tried to set Jesus free for the third time because Pilate could see nothing wrong with Jesus the man as man: "speaking for myself I can find no case against this man" (Jn.18:38).

The distinction between Roman law and Jewish law is made to identify and isolate the Jewish identity of Jesus from the son-of-man identity of Jesus to which the name Bar-abbas was given in this trial. Barabbas was the insurrectionist, now, finally, claiming his rightful place as the freeborn son of the father and to this end Jesus-the-Jew had to be crucified.

It was the best thing the Jews ever did and they do this well, I might add, or they would have caused their own holocaust long before Hitler came around (who should have been tried and convicted as heretic in 'Galilee').

Galilee is the place where those who have been called must work out their own salvation. It is where Roman Law (reason) and Jewish law (conviction)are pitted against each other to see which identity would die so that peace on earth may be restored in the mind of the now ex-believer. If Roman law wins the ego is crucified and if Jewish law prevails the insurrectionist is crucified by the Inquisitor who must rule with an iron fist so that Galilee can be the place where religion is brought to an end for all believers if and when they get there. Things go wrong only when the freedom child remains in conflict with the religious child in the mind of the [born again] believer who therefore must resign from politics lest he tries to change the world around him in effort to quench the enduring pains of conflict in his own mind.

Religion and politics don't mix and religion should never be part of the Lower House. The Upper House exists to prevent this and must be made up of Galilee survivers, so to speak, who have crucified their ego and understand the courage of this age that propells the nation forward and into the unknown.

But that is just how I see it.

offa

This is very interesting, do you know the difference between atheism and agnosticism? The key phrase is "I think" with reiterates lack of knowledge. "I know" and stand by what I write (as an atheist). I do not have "Faith", I have "Knowledge". I answered the question initially imposed on this thread.


offa

offa

We can stop right here Amos. Joseph was a Samaritan, not a Jew. Heli was a Samaritan and so was Joseph's mother.

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Chili

Well offa, I don't care what you call him but the fact is that Jesus was born under the Law that prompted the census in the mind of Joseph. His journey to Bethlehem suggests that he was pregnant with dispair through to conviction of sin and therefore gave a full account of himself to the state of mind in which he was born.

Vorkosigan

offa, chili, and WILLOWTREE: together at last.

Magdlyn

Touching, isn't it? Like a Brady Bunch reunion. :tear

offa

My apologies Amos, I often over step my boundaries. And, if ever you think I am throwing rocks at you ... they are just pebbles. I am saying this in behalf of other readers, I already knew that you already knew that I was just being childish with jealousy of your knowledge. There is a prophet of old who dwelled in the "upper chameber" and that is where you dwell, not I.

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