Chili

No they cannot be harmonized GENETICALLY because Mary doesn't have any genes to pass on. Luke only tells us that it was supposed that Jesus was the son of Joseph to tell you that he was not, in fact, the son of Joseph.

Matthew tells us in a round about way that Jesus was not the messiah because it was [only] said that he was the messiah.

The bible does these kinds of things to lead believers by the nose so they have something to talk about while they are looking in the wrong direction and will have something to complain about when their universe seems complicated and mysterious (while all you have to do is read carefully or not at all if it doesn't make sense to you = not prior to you).

Johnny Skeptic

Then you don't have any geneaology and genes to pass on either, right?

And that is news to whom? The very first page in the New Testament says that Jesus would be conceived by Holy Spirit.

That is false. Matthew 1:21 says "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."

John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but has everlasting life."

Chili

Wrong, I am not Mary but Mary is mine. I know that this doesn't make sense to you but if I am right how can Mary have genes?It does not say that Jesus would be conceived but that Mary has conceived this child by the Holy Spirit and that Joseph was to call him Jesus.

Holy spirit with genes? His people were to be those who believed in this messiah and their sins would be those inflicted by Jewish law to date. The New Testament will have its own set of laws and this excludes Jewish law . . . as it should because Catholics cannot be crucified on two crosses at once. We just retained the Ten Commandments and added some of our own that you probably do not know about and these are to do the trick for us. In case you wonder what this means, Johnny, the concept sin is an illusion but is needed to redeem our benevolent prior nature.

Let's not bring John 3:16 in here because to believe is to 'be lief' is to 'be willing' by faith only and that is contrary to a rational belief in this passage that should never be cited on account of what it means to believe. So as soon as I see you flash this passage I already know that you've been fed to the wolves.

ETA "Fed to the wolves" is a twist on "devoured by the wolves in sheeps clothing."

Johnny Skeptic

No she isn't. She is not your wife, and you are not her genetic descendant.

Actually, it doesn't make sense to anyone, including you. You just come up with this stuff for entertainment. Obviously, if Mary was human, she had genes.

PyramidHead

Johnny. We don't know each other, but I admire your intellectual abilities. My question, and please do delete this, moderators, is why do you entertain the ramblings of somebody like Chili? It's okay. We know you're very smart. Chili is not a threat to you or anyone. Just ignore him, he obviously makes no coherent sense to you (or anyone, as you pointed out). Think bandwith!

Johnny Skeptic

Thank you.

I had already decided a few minutes ago that I am not going to reply to any more of Chili's posts.

Chili

I do not know Johnny either and I, too, am impressed by his intelligence to fall in line with millions of others who have argued over this lineage for 2000 years with no new insight gained. Nothing has changed and the lineages that are given still serve their purpose.

Let me suggest that bandwith means nothing if your salvation is at risk. Ask Johnny, he was been studying the bible for 35 years and is now taking a different approach.

Chili

That's to bad, I will miss you. Farewell Johnny.