arnoldo

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree I respect your strong opinion on this subject but I'm going to leave it to Sugarhitman to take over, Peace.

Minimalist

That's a good point, Arnoldo, but I ask you to evaluate it in light of the fact that their history told them that they had withstood a 13 year siege by Babylon a couple of centuries earlier. You have to admit that if they were overconfident they had a pretty good reason. IF Alex hadn't gotten naval reinforcements at the opportune time, he may well have failed also.

Sheshonq

No, we're going to agree that you can't support your position. And we'll also agree that you deliberately twist the position of your opponent - even after being told multiple times that you are doing that.

As long as you keep posting on this topic, I'll be there to correct your mistakes and remind the audience of your deceitfulness.

Which doesn't help you or him. See you in the Daniel thread.

WVIncagold

Really? Your a mind reader too?! Wow what am i thinking? You have posted this several times so time to take out the shitometer and yup its pegged to the red zone! How do you know what anyone thought in 500 BCE arnaldo? How about posting something that isn't complete utter bullshit. This has been explained so many times your either to dense to understand or completely ignorant that it was a common practice for many years before and after to send royal family as part of a treaty. And Tell me how is what they thought relevant to the fact the city:
* retained all of their religious structure
* their social structure was unchanged;
* their "domination" by any foreign power was nominal at best;
* they remained a regional economic superpower;and
* rebuilt their military.
And the island was never laid barren..........ever!

WVIncagold

NO alexander was bright enough to build a lnlnad bridge to get to Tyre with help of a NAVY meanwhile your hero Nebby just waved allot form the beach. Your arguments dont get better by repeating it over and over and over and over.

Tyre was around after Nebby to be conquered by Alexander. That there renders the prophecy FAILED!

WVIncagold

Runaway! Runaway! big surprise i cant bring up anything relevant or that isn't utter bullshit so we agree to disagree? So hand it off to the the guy who believes in the Giant Vampire Rapist from Canaan?

Prophecy failed. Has it been pointed out the Babylon did not survive but Tyre has? Strange at that isn't it? out of so many Mesopotamian cities to survive Tyre the one Destined to never be rebuilt and desolate till end of times did survive. Almost like a big middle finger pointing at Christianity.

sugarhitman

The critics cannot defeat this prophecy dont be deceived. They refuse to believe that "They" does not refer to the "many nations" or that Nebby attacked the mainland part of the city. I will go through a final review of this prophecy, then I will leave it up to the reader to decide who is right and who is wrong (The critics are wrong).

1. Jeremiah made his prophecy BEFORE Ezekiel about Tyre saying that Tyre would serve Nebuchadnezzar which did happen.
2. Isaiah likewise prophesied BEFORE Ezekiel, that Tyre would after 70 years be restored to it's former glory. Which happened after Babylon's 70 year reign.
3. In describing the weapons and army of Nebby Ezekiel makes it clear that this army is land based. Under "He" (Nebby) from verses 7-11 there is no destruction of the city, only the towers are broken down and the walls breached. This agrees with Jeremiah and Isaiah who say that Tyre would serve Babylon and after the 70 year rule, would return to it's glory which happened. In chapter 29: 18 of Ezekiel we are told that Nebby does in fact defeat Tyre, but he does not plunder her. So in verse 12 of ch. 26 which begins with the spoiling of Tyre, "He" is no longer mentioned "They" begins. (this is no coincedense, Ezekiel changed He to they because he knew that Nebby would not plunder Tyre.)
4. The rubble of the mainland city was LAID in the water by "They" (someone other then Nebby).
5. The location of the mainland city was scraped bare and does not exist any longer. The location of the springs, and the spreading of the nets is located on the beach south of the island city, this is the likely spot of "Old Tyre." Which was done by "They."
6. Verse 15 begins with the island city, which ends in verse 21. God makes it clear that this part of the city shall be buried deep in the sea in the "low parts of the earth....with them that go DOWN to the PIT." And that it will not be desolate nor uninhabited until this happens. This is not "poetic" nor "metaphorical" language. This is literal. Because the other prophets tells us that in the "Day of the Lord" there will be a major earthquake and ALL the islands will be destroyed. In Chapter 27 of Ezekiel God says that the island and everything in it will fall into the sea "in the day of your ruin."

Conclusion: These are seperate judgements. First Tyre looses the mainland city which happened. Second, it becomes a place for fishing (I dont care what they say fishing was not the dominent theme in Tyre, world trade was. But now the major, dominent theme in Tyre is.....Fishing....just as Ezekiel foretold. Third and lastly, Tyre (what remains of her) will be destroyed by the seas. This is not something to gloat over, but all this proves that God EXIST. Critics will not accept this. They will say that the prophecy is wrong even if they were convinced. If any man who is alive today say that the prophecies of Israel which are being fulfilled as I write and you read, is false then something is wrong with their eyes and ears. If they will reject a prophecy proved by the present, imagine how they will act against a prophecy proved by history. Good day, and I leave it to the reader to choose. :wave:

WVIncagold

Theist are irrational. There i said it so it makes it true. Love the way you argue sugar.
The prophecy says it will utterly be destroyed never to be rebuilt. FAILED
There is no distinction between your made up mainland Tyre and the Island. Manhattan is a borough of NEW YORK city, it is not another city. You have made this up to support your own delusion.
As i write an you read we are still 2500 hundred years without the prophecy coming true. That is approximately excluding leap year 912500 days. 21900000 hours. thats 1314000000 minutes. thats 78840000000 seconds. you and your kind are wrong and ever second that ticks by your wrong again whoops another five times being wrong 78840000005.78840000006.
Temple mount has a Muslim Masque how come Zeke or any other of the scryers you talk about didn't envision that little number?
What part of Failed do you not get?
Not only did the prophecy fail but you have failed to make a concise argument that makes any sense and or present any evidence that a rational person can except unless they got their Jesus glasses on. Playing theist bad mitten and jumping around making things "fit' to your thesis is not proof.
Failed Tyre still exist despite prophecy.
Tyre still exists.
In case you didnt read it the first third or hundred times it still exist and it will tomarrow and the next day and the next.
If i was a betting man i think i would side with the team that has a 78840000025 record to the side that has 0. nada. big goose egg.

arnoldo

Amen, brother, preach it! Here is a prophecy every unbeliever will have the chance to disprove one day. Philipians 2:10 (Young Translation)

WVIncagold

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What has this fricking got to do with Tyre? How about posting something that at least makes sense and is on topic.
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!