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sschlichter · 11-18-2008, 10:27 AM

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which Jews. It was Jews that wrote the NT.

The only writer who can lay claim to being Jewish is Paul and Hyam Maccoby thinks Paul was a convert!? Your statement "It was Jews that wrote the NT" needs evidence. Mark was apparently written in a Latin context and has a Roman name. All the gospels were written in Greek, so what evidence can you use to say that Jews wrote the NT?

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You do not feel there is any internal evidence that Matthew, John, and Hebrews were written by Jews?

Johnny Skeptic · 11-18-2008, 10:27 AM

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It was Jews that wrote the NT. Does it take 51% majority to vote the truth into office? Their God made the purpose and the means very clear.

What purpose are you referring to, and what means are you referring to? What purpose have Jews carried out?

sschlichter · 11-18-2008, 10:28 AM

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the vast majority of humans are theists. Does that have any impact on whether God exists or not?

I think its fair to say if there were no humans there would be no God.

then why does your argument from majority apply to the Jews, but not to all humanity?

sschlichter · 11-18-2008, 10:29 AM

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It was Jews that wrote the NT. Does it take 51% majority to vote the truth into office? Their God made the purpose and the means very clear.

What purpose are you referring to, and what means are you referring to? What purpose have Jews carried out?

http://www.freeratio.org/vbb/showthr...76#post5662776

The Dagda · 11-18-2008, 10:30 AM

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I think its fair to say if there were no humans there would be no God.

then why does your argument from majority apply to the Jews, but not to all humanity?

Eh? That makes no sense, I'm just saying WWGD not WWJD, some people believe they are different people, some people believe they are one and the same, I didn't say I thought they were right, I said WWGD if he were the Jewish God rather than the Christian one?

WVIncagold · 11-18-2008, 10:31 AM

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The Jews that don't believe in Jesus which is the vast majority.

the vast majority of humans are theists. Does that have any impact on whether God exists or not?

Which god?You act like they all beleieve in your god. Truth is you Xians cant even agree on what god is or even who he/it/them is. You all have diffrent deffinitions. An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."

People used to believe the world was flat so therefore it is?
People used to believe sickness was caused by sin so therefore that made it true?
People used to say if man was made to fly god would give him wings so this is a true statement?
People used to believe in menataurs, unicorns, satyrs, and all amounts of mythical god creatures so therefore they actually existed right?
God exist soley in the minds of men and stuff that happens inside your own head is not evidence of existance, it is only evidence of your own creative outlet.

sschlichter · 11-18-2008, 10:35 AM

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then why does your argument from majority apply to the Jews, but not to all humanity?

Eh? That makes no sense, I'm just saying WWGD not WWJD, some people believe they are different people, some people believe they are one and the same, I didn't say I thought they were right, I said WWGD if he were the Jewish God rather than the Christian one?

well, my friend, I hope someone who does not beleive that Jesus is the incarnation of the only God will answer your question.

Johnny Skeptic · 11-18-2008, 10:36 AM

Message to sschlichter: I invite you to make a post in my thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum that is titled "Slavery." The link is http://www.freeratio.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=255542. I believe that the opening post reasonably proves that what the Bible says about slavery was written by followers of the God of the Bible of their own accord without any inspiration from God. Participation by Christians in that thread has been quite infrequent, and quite convenient I might add.

spin · 11-18-2008, 10:37 AM

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The only writer who can lay claim to being Jewish is Paul and Hyam Maccoby thinks Paul was a convert!? Your statement "It was Jews that wrote the NT" needs evidence. Mark was apparently written in a Latin context and has a Roman name. All the gospels were written in Greek, so what evidence can you use to say that Jews wrote the NT?

You do not feel there is any internal evidence that Matthew, John, and Hebrews were written by Jews?

It's possible. It's also possible that they received Jews as proselytizers or used sources which were Jewish influenced.

spin

sschlichter · 11-18-2008, 10:38 AM

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the vast majority of humans are theists. Does that have any impact on whether God exists or not?

Which god?You act like they all beleieve in your god. Truth is you Xians cant even agree on what god is or even who he/it/them is. You all have diffrent deffinitions. An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."

People used to believe the world was flat so therefore it is?
People used to believe sickness was caused by sin so therefore that made it true?
People used to say if man was made to fly god would give him wings so this is a true statement?
People used to believe in menataurs, unicorns, satyrs, and all amounts of mythical god creatures so therefore they actually existed right?
God exist soley in the minds of men and stuff that happens inside your own head is not evidence of existance, it is only evidence of your own creative outlet.

You are arguing my point. Truth is not decided by majority vote.

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Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to sschlichter: I invite you to make a post in my thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum that is titled "Slavery." The link is http://www.freeratio.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=255542. I believe that the opening post reasonably proves that what the Bible says about slavery was written by followers of the God of the Bible of their own accord without any inspiration from God. Participation by Christians in that thread has been quite infrequent, and quite convenient I might add.

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