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Thomas II · 03-09-2006, 10:17 AM

Are there any parts or characters in the Bible that strike you as related to black magic?

Thomas II · 03-09-2006, 11:08 AM

Ok,ok...I'll start...
Read this:
www.religioustolerance.org/divin_bibl.htm

Then this:
www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

robto · 03-09-2006, 01:14 PM

I think the most commonly cited "occult" practice in the Bible is the raising of Samuel's ghost (stragnely omitted in the religioustolerance link): (1 Sam 28:11-16)

Quote:

Originally Posted by God

Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" He answered, "Bring up Samuel for me." 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!" 13 The king said to her, "Have no fear; what do you see?" The woman said to Saul, "I see a divine being coming up out of the ground." 14 He said to her, "What is his appearance?" She said, "An old man is coming up; he is wrapped in a robe." So Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground, and did obeisance.

15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Saul answered, "I am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; so I have summoned you to tell me what I should do." 16 Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the Lord has turned from you and become your enemy? ....

David B · 03-09-2006, 01:25 PM

The cutting of Sampson's hair taking away his strength?

David B

Joan of Bark · 03-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Jesus resurrecting a dead man?

Thomas II · 03-10-2006, 03:45 AM

But how can people not see that if Yahweh is ordering all this killing,torturing and destruction it means he IS A DARK ENTITY! All the plagues sent on Egypt would be the product of BLACK MAGIC!
To even hint at killing Isaac to appease a bloodthirsty god is pure DARKNESS!
Yet people talk about it like "Oh,look how obedient was Abraham! It's ok to be obedient like Abraham! It's not like god is going to ask you to sacrifice children to Him, but if he did, it's good to be obedient like Abraham"
That is the lesson there...I guess the other lesson is " When your dad is going to cut you open and burn you to a crisp to make an offering to god, you must remain quiet and happy you have been chosen as an offering..."
And that ties in with "...Just like Jesus did...He happily became the sacrificial lamb, and was offered to ( a bloodthirsty) God as payment for all the sins of people...
By the way, who made that deal with God Father?
Let's see...hmmm...who could it be?...hmmm?...could it be...Satan??
Who is the offering of Jesus' sacrifice made to? God father?...or Satan?
What was Jesus supposed to save with his sacrifice?
The souls of all the sinners, isn't it?
Who would have taken all those souls?
Ah!....Satan,isn't it?

Thomas II · 03-10-2006, 10:08 AM

The story of Adam and Eve...let's just explore this...
Let's say that the terrible "sin" they talk about so much is "a pact with Satan" through black magic...
We are talking about primeval times...MAGIC is what rules!...There is no Judaism, no Christianity,no nothing...Just MAGIC!
One spell goes wrong, the wrong energy is called upon, and all hell brakes loose...Maybe "Eve" and "Adam" sold her progeny in exchange for some promised power...This could have been that "original sin"...
In other worlds A CURSE!...
I am not talking about what we believe or not now, but that is what very well happened...
Then the story got embelished, turned into a myth, religions built their dogmas upon them, etc..etc...etc...
Why Eve?
Before the patrriarchs there were the matriarchs...

Thomas II · 03-10-2006, 10:30 AM

What kind of a "spell" are we all in that a group of people called the Catholic Church are capable of doing all the atrocities that they have done in the last 1700 years IN THE NAME OF A JESUS, who was said to have been THE OPPOSITE of what the Church became? How is it possible?

I understand that fear was the reason people did not move before, but now that we know about the History of this Church, how come some are still following it?
If we KNOW what Yahweh was all about how come people still PRAY to him??
IT'S A GOD OF BLACK MAGIC!!!

EasyTarget · 03-10-2006, 05:51 PM

Burnt offerings. What "loving god" wants things slaughtered and burnt to ashes?

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03-09-2006, 11:08 AM	#2
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	Ok,ok...I'll start... Read this: www.religioustolerance.org/divin_bibl.htm Then this: www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

03-09-2006, 01:25 PM	#4
David B Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 11,620	The cutting of Sampson's hair taking away his strength? David B

03-09-2006, 07:34 PM	#5
Joan of Bark Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pua, in northern Thailand Posts: 2,823	Jesus resurrecting a dead man?

03-10-2006, 03:45 AM	#6
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	But how can people not see that if Yahweh is ordering all this killing,torturing and destruction it means he IS A DARK ENTITY! All the plagues sent on Egypt would be the product of BLACK MAGIC! To even hint at killing Isaac to appease a bloodthirsty god is pure DARKNESS! Yet people talk about it like "Oh,look how obedient was Abraham! It's ok to be obedient like Abraham! It's not like god is going to ask you to sacrifice children to Him, but if he did, it's good to be obedient like Abraham" That is the lesson there...I guess the other lesson is " When your dad is going to cut you open and burn you to a crisp to make an offering to god, you must remain quiet and happy you have been chosen as an offering..." And that ties in with "...Just like Jesus did...He happily became the sacrificial lamb, and was offered to ( a bloodthirsty) God as payment for all the sins of people... By the way, who made that deal with God Father? Let's see...hmmm...who could it be?...hmmm?...could it be...Satan?? Who is the offering of Jesus' sacrifice made to? God father?...or Satan? What was Jesus supposed to save with his sacrifice? The souls of all the sinners, isn't it? Who would have taken all those souls? Ah!....Satan,isn't it?

03-10-2006, 10:08 AM	#7
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	The story of Adam and Eve...let's just explore this... Let's say that the terrible "sin" they talk about so much is "a pact with Satan" through black magic... We are talking about primeval times...MAGIC is what rules!...There is no Judaism, no Christianity,no nothing...Just MAGIC! One spell goes wrong, the wrong energy is called upon, and all hell brakes loose...Maybe "Eve" and "Adam" sold her progeny in exchange for some promised power...This could have been that "original sin"... In other worlds A CURSE!... I am not talking about what we believe or not now, but that is what very well happened... Then the story got embelished, turned into a myth, religions built their dogmas upon them, etc..etc...etc... Why Eve? Before the patrriarchs there were the matriarchs...

03-10-2006, 10:30 AM	#8
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	What kind of a "spell" are we all in that a group of people called the Catholic Church are capable of doing all the atrocities that they have done in the last 1700 years IN THE NAME OF A JESUS, who was said to have been THE OPPOSITE of what the Church became? How is it possible? I understand that fear was the reason people did not move before, but now that we know about the History of this Church, how come some are still following it? If we KNOW what Yahweh was all about how come people still PRAY to him?? IT'S A GOD OF BLACK MAGIC!!!

03-10-2006, 05:51 PM	#9
EasyTarget Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: WY US Posts: 945	Burnt offerings. What "loving god" wants things slaughtered and burnt to ashes?

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