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Old 04-30-2007, 01:40 PM   #21
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Julian is a novel - he does state it is thoroughly researched using existing material, but no footnotes. So neither of the above.
So then if it is a novel then it is most likely as accurate as "The DaVinci Code". Though I might read it if I come across it.
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It has been argued that Mark is a novel.
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It has been argued that Mark is a novel.
touche... And yet if just a novel, one that is far more influential than is cared to be admitted around here. I believe someone once wrote a book on what if the Bible was never written and it read like a who's who of events.
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I think that Celsus or some other early critic of Christianity made that charge against the Christians.
That they edited and changed NT writings ?
How about a quote on this one.
Perhaps we are back on Marcion ?

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If you don't know, maybe there isn't any. Even Bart Ehrman won't go that far.



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Books have been amended since the beginning. Ever hear of Marcion the Heretic? He edited his canon to just Pauline Epistles, the Gospel of Luke, and deleted every semetic reference. As such his view was discarded very early.



Origin of Species was a hypothosis that was later recanted by the author. To my knowledge Mark never recanted his views about Christ.
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1. Ehrman - perhaps you should read The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture (or via: amazon.co.uk).

2. P52 - 20 lines from John dated 150 C.E. +/-: and this proves what, again?

3. Marcion discarded early - perhaps you should read about marcion and the scope of his influence.

3. Origin of species had numerous printings, with improvements in later versions. And your point is? See, this is where science, materialism, and rationality triumph over myth - improvements in evidence, argument, and conclusion.

4. "Mark" never recanted - who is this Mark you mention? Perhaps you can identify who the author of the anonymous book attributed 100+ years later to some unknown person claimed to be a Mark, and provide some of his other writings or references to others communicating with this mysterious "mark" person so that we might know a little about his life.
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Why does Ehrman think Acts is the earliest surviving bit of the NT?

(From Amazon - it has the first few pages of his book.)
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Ehrman says that Acts is the "oldest surviving account of Christianity's early years." That's not the same as the earliest surviving bit of the NT, which would probably be some of Paul's letters by most people's reckoning.
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Ehrman says that Acts is the "oldest surviving account of Christianity's early years." That's not the same as the earliest surviving bit of the NT, which would probably be some of Paul's letters by most people's reckoning.
Yes, of course. This is also an example where an ambiguity (here, does "of" mean "about" or "from"?) is not apparent until someone reads it another way.

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