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Julio · 10-22-2009, 01:49 AM

Matthew 27:52-53
What’s the Forum’s comments about this matter?
http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/...stevents2.html
http://www.gospel-mysteries.net/resu...on-saints.html
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...3&version=NKJV
[PS: maybe it is a topic already discussed, I don’t know]

John Kesler · 10-22-2009, 03:21 AM

http://www.freeratio.org/thearchives....php?p=4739620

rizdek · 10-22-2009, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio

Matthew 27:52-53
What’s the Forum’s comments about this matter?
http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/...stevents2.html
http://www.gospel-mysteries.net/resu...on-saints.html
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...3&version=NKJV
[PS: maybe it is a topic already discussed, I don’t know]

If I was a bible apologist, the answer(s) would be easy:

How many is many? If there were only 4 saints that had died and were burried, then 3 would be many. And I could envision 3 zombies walking around without the general public knowing. And how long did they walk? Maybe only 5 minutes. That's not long enough to create a stir. They appeared to "many." How many? Again, 10 people could be called many and they might not have gotten around to telling anyone. And would the walking dead saints "look" different than regular people? If god transformed their rotting bodies into whole bodies again, they might not appear different and the people who saw them wouldn't recognize them as walking corpses. Besides, maybe they whispered into the ears of each of the many people who saw them to, "shhhh, don't tell anyone." So, no one told and it never made it to the newspapers.

See, the ability of the believer to rationalize away the irrational is gargantuan. These people also believe (among other things) that the "god" of the universe 1) created a talking snake in the garden of eden to tempt his creation, 2) flooded the earth to drown wicked people and their children 3) made a deal with satan so Job could be tortured unmercifully 4) rained death on cities because some of the people sinners. and 5) came to earth as his son so he could be sacrificed to himself to atone for sins against himself. So do you think they'll hesitate to believe zombies strolled the city and were only reported in one book in the NT?

Besides, it was reported in a reliable source...the NT, the most reliable source of info mankind has.

mountainman · 10-22-2009, 04:28 AM

Hi Julio,

We have the names of two of these zombies. They are provided with flourish in the following text as Karinus and Leucius.

Quote:

THE GOSPEL OF NICODEMUS, OR ACTS OF PILATE
From "The Apocryphal New Testament"
M.R. James-Translation and Notes
Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1924

I (XVII)

1 And Joseph arose and said unto Annas and Caiaphas: Truly and of right do ye marvel because ye have heard that Jesus hath been seen alive after death, and that he hath ascended into heaven. Nevertheless it is more marvelous that he rose not alone from the dead, but did raise up alive many other dead out of their sepulchres, and they have been seen of many in Jerusalem. And now hearken unto me; for we all know the blessed Simeon, the high priest which received the child Jesus in his hands in the temple. And this Simeon had two sons, brothers in blood and we all were at their falling asleep and at their burial. Go therefore and look upon their sepulchres: for they are open, because they have risen, and behold they are in the city of Arimathaea dwelling together in prayer. And indeed men hear them crying out, yet they speak with no man, but are silent as dead men. But come, let us go unto them and with all honour and gentleness bring them unto us, and if we adjure them, perchance they will tell us concerning the mystery of their rising again.

2 When they heard these things, they all rejoiced. And Annas and Caiaphas, Nicodemus and Joseph and Gamaliel went and found them not in their sepulchre, but they went unto the city of Arimathaea, and found them there, kneeling on their knees and giving themselves unto prayer. And they kissed them, and with all reverence and in the fear of God they brought them to Jerusalem into the synagogue. And they shut the doors and took the law of the Lord and put it into their hands, and adjured them by the God Adonai and the God of Israel which spake unto our fathers by the prophets, saying: Believe ye that it is Jesus which raised you from the dead? Tell us how ye have arisen from the dead.

3 And when Karinus and Leucius heard this adjuration, they trembled in their body and groaned, being troubled in heart. And looking up together unto heaven they made the seal of the cross with their fingers upon their tongues, and forthwith they spake both of them, saying: Give us each a volume of paper, and let us write that which we have seen and heard

Julio · 10-22-2009, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizdek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio

Matthew 27:52-53
What’s the Forum’s comments about this matter?
http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/...stevents2.html
http://www.gospel-mysteries.net/resu...on-saints.html
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...3&version=NKJV
[PS: maybe it is a topic already discussed, I don’t know]

If I was a bible apologist, the answer(s) would be easy:

How many is many? If there were only 4 saints that had died and were burried, then 3 would be many. And I could envision 3 zombies walking around without the general public knowing. And how long did they walk? Maybe only 5 minutes. That's not long enough to create a stir. They appeared to "many." How many? Again, 10 people could be called many and they might not have gotten around to telling anyone. And would the walking dead saints "look" different than regular people? If god transformed their rotting bodies into whole bodies again, they might not appear different and the people who saw them wouldn't recognize them as walking corpses. Besides, maybe they whispered into the ears of each of the many people who saw them to, "shhhh, don't tell anyone." So, no one told and it never made it to the newspapers.

See, the ability of the believer to rationalize away the irrational is gargantuan. These people also believe (among other things) that the "god" of the universe 1) created a talking snake in the garden of eden to tempt his creation, 2) flooded the earth to drown wicked people and their children 3) made a deal with satan so Job could be tortured unmercifully 4) rained death on cities because some of the people sinners. and 5) came to earth as his son so he could be sacrificed to himself to atone for sins against himself. So do you think they'll hesitate to believe zombies strolled the city and were only reported in one book in the NT?

Besides, it was reported in a reliable source...the NT, the most reliable source of info mankind has.

Thanks for comments.
Loved it, sarcasm and all.
Jesus had once told the disciples NOT to go out and tell everybody that he was the christ [Matthew 16], remember?
Well, they blatantly disobeyed him and the rest is history - a bloody history with MILLIONS of innocent victims!

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