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Where did Jesus and his family go? A contradiction from the Bible
Here's what Luke says:
Luke 2:39 (King James Version) Quote:
Matthew 2:13 (King James Version) Quote:
Look at the quote from Luke. Some Christians have defended it with something like: "Luke just didn't mention that they went to Egypt, so it is not a contradiction." But that's not really true, is it? It clearly says: "returned into Galilee". Which part of "return into" opens up the possibility that they could have gone somewhere else? |
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The birth narratives of gMatthew and gLuke are fundamentally different. The birth narrative in gMatthew appears to be secretive and surrounded by fear of Herod, whereas in gLuke even the shepherds went to tell others of the birth of Jesus. There seems to be no need for Luke's baby Jesus to have been hidden from anyone. Luke 2.15-18 Quote:
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THE REAL CONTRADICTION IS ELSEWHERE
I beieve that Islam says Jesus did not die on a cross but lived to a ripe old age, had a family, and is seen as a revered figure and totally human. Islam emerged many centuries after Christianity, and had no writings at this time - so it is talking from percieved belief or memory recall - the later seeming implausable.
Since both the christian and islamic view are in abject contradiction of each other, neither can be taken seriously as historical, but can only be seen as a belief premise. The most pivotal historical factor is omitted here - which occured in the midst of both these religions and peoples: Rome's greatest war with the Jews in 70 CE, which cost over a million lives, the destruction of what was the world's largest monument [The Temple fortress], and Jerusalem. Is it not diabolical that such a pivotal event is not recorded in these two religions - which begs the question, what credence in their religious archives? :constern01: |
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This makes the plight of the Jews embedded in their midst - exactly how it has been and is today. They become wrong which ever way they turned or not turned, and they become more wrong for standing still. And this does NOT mean if Jews never existed anyone of them would be right - that status quo remains! Hmm...gets one thinking... :constern01:
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The whole "coming out of Egypt" deal is Matthew at 2:15 taking Hosea 11:1 out of context to fulfill a made up prophecy about Jesus. Quote:
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The thing is that it is possible, even if it seems unlikely, that information is omitted from such a story. Thus anyone who wants to believe there is no contradiction does IMHO, have some grounds. |
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The birth narrative as written in gLuke does not mention an angel warning Joseph and Mary, instead they tell the shepherds about the birth of Jesus, and the shepherds in turn tell other people about the Baby Jesus after they visit him. Luke's birthstory is blatantly different to gMatthew's. It contradicts all the major themes. Gmatthew is based on fear, gLuke on rejoicing and good news. Quote:
And further to show that claiming information may have been omitted is irrelevant, if both stories were the same, you could still say it is possible information is missing. |
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