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Old 10-11-2006, 05:17 PM   #11
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You will probably find this contention more than a bit unusual, but seeing as I contend that the 'Christ' figure is in all likelyhood representative of a 'Repentant Satan' figure and Saul/Paul is representative of a 'Anti-Christ' figure, I would tend to lay the concept of 'Satan' as pure evil at the feet of Saul/Paul.
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Interesting, but how is it unusual if this ‘repentant satan’ who is the ‘christ’ figure, and whom we know is in all likelihood a female, magdalene to be exact?

Now, Paul/Saul as an anti-christ figure, that’s more creative..........






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Satan is a good teacher (I call her Magdalene or Eve) who herself is driven by the woman who saw that the TOK was good for gaining things, including eternal wisdom and beauty.

Could I add that the woman causes us to color our own heaven while on earth?
And you do that how.........................color Magdalene, Eve, as Paul?

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i think that Paul is preaching an evil satan to identify the source of all evil and imprint this into the mind of the believer so that they will recognize satan when their time comes.
And that would be who, Magdalene and Eve, who are representative of what, women/females? Ere’ we come to 2 or 3? Got a third one in mind?

Didn’t peg you for mean Chili, my mistake.....................

Tell ‘fast’ I said hello, keep his hands in his pockets, shoulders hunched to the wind............he'll survive





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Hmm, aguy2 and chili on the same board, imagine that.

Interesting, but how is it unusual if this ‘repentant satan’ who is the ‘christ’ figure, and whom we know is in all likelihood a female, magdalene to be exact?

Now, Paul/Saul as an anti-christ figure, that’s more creative..........

And you do that how.........................color Magdalene, Eve, as Paul?

And that would be who, Magdalene and Eve, who are representative of what, women/females? Ere’ we come to 2 or 3? Got a third one in mind?

Didn’t peg you for mean Chili, my mistake.....................

Tell ‘fast’ I said hello, keep his hands in his pockets, shoulders hunched to the wind............he'll survive

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Speak of the devil and who look who shows up. :wave:

I have no trouble calling Magdalene the lesser serpent and Mary the greater serpent for it was the woman from the TOL who saw that the TOK was good for gaining things, such as food, wisdom and beauty.

The woman and Mary are the same identity and so is Eve and Magdalene as well as Adam and Joseph. All three (woman, Eve and Adam, or Mary, Magdalene and Joseph) are motivational forces that exist in the mind of man who himself (sic) is the only one with a true idenity that has been formed after the created image of God that in Genesis is called man, or should I write Man, to include both males and females.

The repentant satan would be the exhausted Joseph now dragging his ass (beyond surrender) behind the donkey (the body human) whereupon Mary was enthroned (taking charge of destiny) and was leading Joseph back without any revolt to the state of mind that he was at birth and there gave an account of himself as sinner so that the first begotten true child of God can be reborn into the empty mind of Joseph the upright man. This is how Christ becomes the second Adam but only if Mary is allowed to become the second Eve because she is the wherewithal (dowry) to be assumed in heaven so that the serpent may be rasied.

Just go to Matthew 2:11 and notice that Joseph was not present in the vacant stable wherefore the Magi did enter the lower house so that a renewal can begin.

Paul was not the anti Christ but he was a religionist who would be leading people away from short-cuts to Jesus, which is symptomatic of the anti-christ. Remember here that both Christ and anti-christ are states of mind.

We do color our own heaven while on earth because the difference between these two is also only a matter of persepctive.

The third one is actually the first one, Mary we call her, who is the woman that was taken from man to be his completion upon his return to Eden where his good works (disciples) will accompany him (Rev.14:13).

She remained in Eden where she presides over the TOL and from there strikes at the head of the lesser serpent that Adam took to be his wife and called Eve, who, in her turn, will strike at the heel of Adam so together they will gather food, data and knowledge to be refined into wisdom and beauty that can be retained (tied down) in the TOL and so add color to Eden as a contribution that we made to the place we left behind (the Alpha) that we might recognize it upon our return there (and Omega).

Don't forget here that man is eternal and that the best we can do is add to the infinity of God, for even as eternal beings will we return to dust.
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This is interesting. Please be more specific. In your view, how does Paul's concept of Satan (as "pure evil") differ from the following OT and NT passages which describe Satan as "the accuser" (of God's people), a tempter, and as inciting people to do evil. I don't see the difference you are referring to??

Satan provokes to evil in the OT...


Satan accuses God's people in the OT...


Which specific passages are you refering to?
The Satan/Devil of the NT may be pure evil, but in the OT book of Job he is clearly at the service of God.
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This is interesting. Please be more specific. In your view, how does Paul's concept of Satan (as "pure evil") differ from the following OT and NT passages which describe Satan as "the accuser" (of God's people), a tempter, and as inciting people to do evil. I don't see the difference you are referring to??

Satan provokes to evil in the OT...

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And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
-1 Choronicles 21:1
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And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah
So who actually provoked David? God or Satan? Are they the same, or is Satan merely an agent of God? If he's an agent, how can he blamed for carrying out God's orders?

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Satan accuses God's people in the OT...

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Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. The LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?"
-Zechariah 3:1-2
The above is consistent with the picture of Satan painted in the book of Job.
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