Johnny Skeptic

A false religious text can be the result of lying, and/or misinformation, and/or innocent but inaccurate revelations. I would not be surprised if the Gospel writers were not liars.

aa5874

So, who told the author of gLuke of the conversation between the angel Gabriel and Mary? I would be surprised if anyone, including Mary, actually witnessed such a conversation as written by gLuke.

If this author was not a liar, where did he get the dialogue beween Gabriel and Mary from?

thentian

They were writing several decades after the events they tell of, most likely by people who weren't there. Imagine yourself trying to write Elvis' biography without any written records, relying only on oral testimony of people who heard it second hand. And no, you cannot go to Graceland, because the place was attacked by soldiers who drove everybody off and bulldozed the place. There are lots of fans you can talk to, but their stories are conflicting and often bizarre, some even claiming that he is still alive and has been seen by people in diverse places.

Cheers!

karlmarx

About the prodigal son: was he a historical character or was he fictitious? Did the prodigal son really come back to the fold and was he, in fact, accepted by his father? When did this happen? Is there any evidence for any this? Or could Jesus be lying and fabricating the whole story?

Iasion

Mate -
it's RIGHT there in the OP, which you QUOTED !

From
"misinformation, and/or innocent but inaccurate revelations"
(Not to mention other possibilities which are often pointed out to you.)

Once again,
you just completely ignored the arguments adduced, and re-preached your opinion.

You never engage in the debate, you just preach the same old crap over and over.
It's getting SO fucking boring.


Iasion

Minimalist

Does an author become a "liar" for writing a novel?

aa5874

But what is your argument? It is definitely not boring to maintain my position consistently and without contradiction.

If you have other possibilities, then defend your position.

My position is that the dialogue between Mary and the angel Gabriel is deliberate fiction, no-one witnessed that dialogue, the author of the story is a liar.

What is your position and why?

Johnny Skeptic

A Christian web site at http://www.letusreason.org/Proph7.htm gives mnay examples of innocent but inaccurate revelations by Christians over a number of centuries.

mountainman

And that the Eusebian Canon Tables neatly cross referenced all the agreements between the four gospel writers, and all the agreements between any three gospel writers, all the agreements between any two gospel writers, and finally all original sayings of each gospel writer; all such agreement being the agreement in the One True Truth, and having nothing to do with fraudulent misreprestation.

We may think we have four gospel authors, but it is amply evident that we have an editor, and/or coordinator, and/or an administrative after-the-event publication quick-reference look-up compilers.

We dont know if the gospels were widely published, except in the narratives of Eusebius from the fourth century concerning the "church fathers", but we sure as hell know they were lavishly backed, packaged and published under the fourth century editorship of Eusebius.

These unknown undated gospel authors may or may not have been liars, but the history of scholarship concerning Eusebius has a remarkable fact that many scholars have pointedly accused him of being a liar, or being dishonest, or of fraud, etc. RIchard Carrier for example states:


Best wishes,



Pete Brown

Derec

What was his name?