aa5874

Well, you know the mistakes that the authors made. Tell me about them.

spin

As long as they saw the severed hand on Friday. Read the story and stop the misrepresentation.


spin

makerowner

Then why don't you just say that he wasn't resurrected? That seems the likelier option than that he survived the crucifixion. But again, in the story, he died and came back to life. I don't believe that it actually happened, but that doesn't change what the story actually says.

aa5874

Mark 14.50, "And they all forsook him and fled". According to Mark the disciples fled when Jesus was arrested, and Peter denied him three times. I don't know that the disciples saw Jesus even close to a cross.

I misrepresented nothing. You must have forgotten the events leading up to the crucifixion.

QuestionMark

When was this eyewitness account written?

QM?

aa5874

According to Eusebius in "Church History", the author of gMark got his story from the apostle Peter, the same guy who denied Jesus three times. I don't know if Peter saw Jesus on or near a cross or even if he ever saw Jesus dead.

But, it seems like all fiction to me.

QuestionMark

Christianity is fiction piled onto fiction and then piled onto crucifiction.

I cannot understand how any person can accept the concept of faith without reason.

Thomas Paine said it very well in his 1794 book, "The Age of Reason".

If you haven't read it, I think you will learn a great deal from it.

1/3 of all pre-Americans read it in 1775.


The late 1700's had freedom of the press to a degree not understood today.

QM?

aa5874

Well, on my very first post in this thread, I did concur that cruci-fiction seems appropiate, since the Jesus of the NT does not appear to be real.

I do not consider that Jesus of the NT was sacrificed at all, in any way, as described in the NT.

makerowner

Your only evidence for that is a deliberately obtuse reading of gMark. If the crucifixion didn't occur, why would his disciples make it up? Why say that the guy you think was the Messiah was executed like a common criminal? It makes 1000% more sense to say that he was executed, but not resurrected. And saying that he was executed isn't the same as saying that he "died for our sins".

aa5874

What did the disciples make up? Everything you read about the disciples seem to come from the authors.

For example, when Jesus was on the cross, the unknown author of gMark claimed Jesus said, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me".(Mk 15.34)

The unknown one from gLuke claimed Jesus said, " Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit," and having said thus he gave up the ghost.(LK23.46)

And still unknown John claimed Jesus said,"It is finished", and he bowed his head and gave up the ghost".(John 19.30)

These are clear indications that the authors made Jesus say whatever they wanted. They know the plot in advance.

So when Jesus said, as in gMark 9.31, ".... The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him and after that he is killed, He shall rise the third day.", this may be the actual words of the author of Mark just playing with your head.