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Jeffrey Gibson · 01-02-2008, 08:46 AM

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Umm .. have you read, or done any work in the critical commentaries on, Mk. 12:1-13?

Jeffrey

Mark 12 says God will destroy the Jews???

Wow!

You are (as I understand things) a self proclaimed Bible expert. You tell me.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson · 01-02-2008, 09:12 AM

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The Romans tried to stamp out Xianity. The easiest way to stamp out the new religion would be to prove Christ didn't exist. That would have been easy enough back then, if Christ didn't exist, since it could have been demonstrated they never crucified anyone like Jesus Christ. Why didn't they?

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The Romans were even more superstitious than the Christians. The astrology, divination, etc of today are only a pale shadow of all the BS around in Roman times. Romans would believe in anything, illiteracy was rampant and rationalism wasn't possible.

I do so love these global claims and the air of authority with which they are presented!

May I ask what the nature and extent of your grounding in Greco Roman cultural history, religion, and philosophy is?

And as to the claim that rationalism wasn't possible, may I suggest that you read not only Cicero's The Nature of the GodsOn the Gods, but H.W. Attridge's "The Philosophical Critique of Religion under the Early Empire" in Aufstieg und Niedergang der romischen Welt 2.16.1 (1978) 45-78?

Jeffrey

Steven Carr · 01-02-2008, 09:37 AM

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Mark 12 says God will destroy the Jews???

Wow!

You are (as I understand things) a self proclaimed Bible expert. You tell me.

Jeffrey

How can anybody tell you anything?

Lógos Sokratikós · 01-02-2008, 10:25 AM

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The Romans were even more superstitious than the Christians. The astrology, divination, etc of today are only a pale shadow of all the BS around in Roman times. Romans would believe in anything, illiteracy was rampant and rationalism wasn't possible.

I do so love these global claims and the air of authority with which they are presented!

May I ask what the nature and extent of your grounding in Greco Roman cultural history, religion, and philosophy is?

And as to the claim that rationalism wasn't possible, may I suggest that you read not only Cicero's The Nature of the GodsOn the Gods, but H.W. Attridge's "The Philosophical Critique of Religion under the Early Empire" in Aufstieg und Niedergang der romischen Welt 2.16.1 (1978) 45-78?

Jeffrey

Quote: "May I ask what the nature and extent of your grounding in Greco Roman cultural history, religion, and philosophy is?"

Ok, boys and girls, everyone out. Jeffrey Gibson is on the thread. All head to genius!

Now seriously,
If you put down your gown and mortarboard, and re-read my post, I wasn't talking about philosophers, I was talking about the education level of the vulgus.

Still seriously,
Breathe deep, relax. We're in an amicable exchange among friends. Let's keep it that way.

Jeffrey Gibson · 01-02-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lógos Sokratikós

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Gibson

I do so love these global claims and the air of authority with which they are presented!

May I ask what the nature and extent of your grounding in Greco Roman cultural history, religion, and philosophy is?

And as to the claim that rationalism wasn't possible, may I suggest that you read not only Cicero's The Nature of the GodsOn the Gods, but H.W. Attridge's "The Philosophical Critique of Religion under the Early Empire" in Aufstieg und Niedergang der romischen Welt 2.16.1 (1978) 45-78?

Jeffrey

Quote: "May I ask what the nature and extent of your grounding in Greco Roman cultural history, religion, and philosophy is?"

Ok, boys and girls, everyone out. Jeffrey Gibson is on the thread. All head to genius!

Now seriously,
If you put down your gown and mortarboard, and re-read my post, I wasn't talking about philosophers, I was talking about the education level of the vulgus.

Still seriously,
Breathe deep, relax. We're in an amicable exchange among friends. Let's keep it that way.

Are you going to answer my question or not?

Jeffrey

Lógos Sokratikós · 01-02-2008, 01:20 PM

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Are you going to answer my question or not?

Jeffrey

It doesn't deserve an answer, obviously.

I don't answer ad hominems, and I would advise you to tackle the arguments instead of the people who state them.

Jeffrey Gibson · 01-02-2008, 01:35 PM

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Are you going to answer my question or not?

Jeffrey

It doesn't deserve an answer, obviously.

I don't answer ad hominems, and I would advise you to tackle the arguments instead of the people who state them.

I am doing no such thing. I'm simply trying to get some measure of how well informed your claims and arguments are.

All you are doing by refusing to state anything on this matter is to raise, if not confirm, the suspicions that they are not informed at all and that you'd like to avoid having this revealed more than it already has been.

Jeffrey

Toto · 01-02-2008, 01:55 PM

This seems to have reached a dead end, so I will lock this.

Thanks to all who contributed.

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